Adam and 4000 BC

Paul just further elaborates what has already been said.

Also, what does it mean to love our God with all our heart and mind? Jesus explains how this is done in detail. Without the detail, then how can we know what is meant by this? To many people, love is many things, which way s the right way to love? Some ways of 'love' can do people great injustice, for example.

Some would say going to war is an act of love, is that love, as Jesus described it? Would he accept that? If not, then how is it love?

 

I think he recognized the material he had at the time for what it was. The law of Moses is not the same law as the law, having been handed down for hardness of heart.

A metaphor for living word, you bet.

Again, Gods' word is a living word. The bible is a repository of information. The living word manifests through being, thought, word, and deed.
It does appear that you give your devotion to the bible. If you were to choose between the bible and your brother, what would it be?

 

And yet He healed on the Sabbath and outside the established temple channels, didn't wash His hands before eating bread; condoned harvesting produce on the Sabbath; healed lepers, a woman who was hemorraging, and a man who was possessed of unclean spiritis and living in a graveyard near a herd of swine; ate with sinners and outcasts, violating the tenets of table fellowship; broke the temple monopoly on forgiveness and access to God. He taught that "There is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile." (Mark 7:15)--attacking a central tenet of Mosaic dietary law. He gave us the parable of the Good Samaritan, in which two religious professionals obsessed with the purity laws passed by a man who was considered "half dead", and were shown up by a Samaritan, himself regarded as an outcast. In other words, the ministry of Jesus was in no small part a deliberate challenge to the holiness code of Leviticus as it was understood by the Jewish establishment,and a redefinition of holiness. It is arguable that the law Jesus was attacking was not the finite text of the Pentateuch itself, but the "oral Torah"--the unwritten understandings or interpretations that the rabbis gave to the written Torah. Certainly, when it comes to Gentiles, you have acknowledged several times that they are bound by the Law of Noah, not the Law of Moses. Paul argues that justification is through faith alone, and for a Gentile to try to keep the law would be boastful. So in trotting out the oft-quoted passage from Matthew to serve the occasion, we might keep this context clearly in mind--especially if we are Gentiles instead of the Jews who were Matthew's audience.

 

Yes, there was no Christian church when Jesus was alive. So? Yes, Paul did not reiterate everything Jesus said but what Paul said is not out of harmony with Jesus' teachings.

Because that is what the Law is based on.

What Jesus taught did not transcended the law and the prophets but added to them.

What?

Yes, but did you not read that then Adam sinned and thus sin and death spread to all mankind?

Yes

Yes

yes but that still does not tell me what you mean by it.

So you say but an error in perception is not what got us here.

Usurped the Power of God? No, but mankind has taken what does not belong to him.

Very pretty and with just enough truth to draw disciples to yourself.

 

Those who might see Christ in our brothers do not do so because I told them to and I teach as I am taught. A teacher has no more fervent desire than for the student to graduate, not to follow.

It sounds like you resent the attraction of love, preferring instead the attraction of guilt. I know that books can be sterile company at times. We are discussing ideas waterbrother. There are no offenses occurring here, where two or more are gathered.

 

Nor is what I say out of harmony with my love of god or my brother.

Because it is the law.

What Jesus taught restores the kingdom of heaven to our awareness, in heaven there are no marriages.

Yes but did you not read that a deep sleep fell over adam and that we are awakened from the dead.

To miss the sign of god is exactly what got us here. All anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so. To what shall we compare this generation, we piped for you and you did not dance.

What would that be waterbrother?

 

"Very pretty and with just enough truth to draw disciples to yourself."

Just enough truth? Which part is, which part isn't truth?

So, you believe that thedope is trying to garner a following of believers when he discourses here?

 

OWB's post might be an instance of what psychologists call projection: attributing to others one's own motives.

 

You and the dope are saying,"when Jesus was alive",uh are you saying Jesus is dead?

 

Good catch!

More accurate to say 'when Jesus walked' perhaps?

 

For my part, I am referring to a temporal period. Yes Christ is alive and physical presence is reconstituted through communion or "remembering", the body of the Sonship.

 

Jesus said; "YOU have made the word of God invalid because of YOUR tradition." So, it would seem that Jesus was not so much changing the Law as showing the correct understanding of that Law.

As for being under the Law, No, Christians are not under the Law and as you said; "especially if we are Gentiles". The reason for that is that as Matthew says the Law won't pass away unless it is fulfilled and Jesus fulfilled the Law and thus we are not under the law, Christians are to live by principles and the principles of the law are still valid.

The reason I bought up Matthew was to show that Jesus did not believe "the word of God", the Law and the prophets, to be a "collection of various ancient myths, stories, prayers or opinions" that could easily be discarded or dismissed but "the word of God".

 

And what did Jesus recognize it as? "YOU have made the word of God invalid because of YOUR tradition." (Matthew 15:6)

Any other proof than your word for it?

Yes it is.

Yes it is.

Yes it does.

My devotion goes to God but I do believe that God gave us the Bible so we can learn about him and his son and how to best serve them.

Is that what you've done? Turn your back on God and his Word so you won't inconvenience your brother. Are you tickling the ear of your brothers at expense of forsaking God' will?

 

The question has always been who is teaching you. Since there are only two paths and you do not seem to be teaching the narrow path Jesus taught, you can only have one other teacher.

It may sound that way because you do not know what love really is.

The Bible sterile company? You really don't like the Bible do you?

I'm not taking offense, are you?

As for your quote, it actually says this; "For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst." So for this to happen they have to be gathered in Jesus name and you would have to know what that Name represents, not just make it up as you go along.

 

Who's question?

No it sounds that way because you are speaking words that give me that impression.

Could have swore I said books can be sterile company

Again, the bible that was presented to me when I was 10 years old, I still have in my possession. It is the only artifact I possess from my childhood. The reason being is that the bible is precious to me.

If you knew the holy spirit waterbrother you would know that it is present.
You making up rules for when the holy spirit should or should not be present?

 

The word tradition comes from a word meaning to give away or betray.

Do you know what the word metaphor means?

The bible is useful. It has been my experience that it is the holy spirit that teaches. For example if I have a question about the information in the bible, some life circumstance will emerge to illuminate the answer.

It is God's will that we have life and have it abundantly.
You have assigned to me all manner of evil intent simply for the fact that I disagree with your interpretation of the bible. That is demonstration enough of what I have said.

 

I want to know what love is. I want you to show me. (Chicago 5: 10-11)

Right, and what was that? "Be compassionate as God is compassionate" ( Luke 6:36), instead of the Pharisaical emphasis on holiness, with "holy" being understood as separation from everything unclean.

And what are those?

The "easily discarded or dismissed" part is your own spin. Nothing you've quoted for us shows Jesus to be a legalist like you.

By the way, how are you coming on the question: how could it be that the women at the tomb told no one, as it says in Mark's account, and that one or more of the women told two or more of the disciples, as it says in the other accounts?

 

Rebuking is a compassionate act to God:

Jesus also allowed a disciple to carry a sword with him and probably had a good idea that the disciple would use it later on, only to heal the ear of the slave of the high priest and then say:

To us it may not seem compassionate, but God will not do and say things that would lead us away from the truth, but will do what has to be done to bring the truth to us.

Be compassionate as God is compassionate not as Man is compassionate.

 

So in other words, who are we to question? If something seems evil to us, we should go along with it, because God moves in mysterious ways. I prefer to think that any interpretation of scripture that tells us that is false and should be rejected. Tell me again why you want to believe this.