Adam and 4000 BC

You are obviously just speaking against violence, and more probably wish the freedom of speech, but prior to that you still need the faith that justice is accomplishable through verbal communication. Faith for the bible per reading a holy book goes beyond judgment of any capable justice. What is capable is believing in human nature of those times to be applicable to these times. This was like a quiz though.

 

Actually describing the causative nature of the focus of mind in generating experience. Standing still in a world of motion is violent. Violent can be emotionally tense, or simply intense. It is a degree of intensity. I do not speak against violence. I speak that there is no opposing force.

 

I am therefore, I think. Too late, fortunately.

 

If there was sacrifice by Him, was it not in the taking on of flesh moreso than the giving up of it?

 

I didn’t ask you to judge him; you already did that when you made the non-scriptural statement that “judgment is the original and root of all sin”. That statement judges both God and Jesus as sinners, because they both judge.

Yes it is an important statement but is no more important than the rest of the Bible and the statements made there. The way you use it is out of context, the real context was that the Jews made such a big deal of the sacrifices of the law; they thought they could ignore the weightier matters such as mercy. It does not mean that sacrifice is bad as you seem to imply, because what Jesus did is call a sacrifice in the bible as I pointed out and we are also encouraged to sacrifice as well. (Ephesians 5:1-2; Hebrews 9:26; Romans 12:1)

The idea of proxy sacrifice may be unacceptable to you but much of the Bible and the reason Jesus came to earth as a human are based on it. (Hebrews 10:1-10)

 

He didn't even say better not to be.

sorry to hear that.

The dark?

Yes but that does not extend to what he wrote in the Scriptures.

He will.

 

Not that I'm going to get involved in this ongoing discussion between the two of you, but I can't help but observe that your responses are becoming increasingly snide.

 

Jesus, Paul? First the Bible is God's word not Paul's or Jesus', even Jesus admitted the he did not speak of his own originality.

Second what I'm saying is, it depends on how the scripture is being used. Does it lead to God and the truth or does it lead away from it.

 

Yes but not more so.

 

Snide? I beg your pardon. In what way is saying; "I'm sorry to hear that", when someone tells you they had a bad experience, snide?

 

What are you talking about? the statement, I do not judge him, he has his own judge, is a statement attributed to Jesus. It is one of many where Jesus said he did not come to judge. The statement I make about judgment is consistent with the truth. The judgment I refer to is mans judgment, his "knowledge" of good and evil, his judgment of his brother. This is mistaken perception. God did not create the world, good and evil, only good.
I do not judge both god and Jesus sinners. Mans mistaken judgment obscures the sight of the world god created which is why Jesus says "For judgment I have come into the world, that the seeing may be made blind that the blind may see". Not to judge but to free man from his own judgments.

 

I apologize to you, WaterBrother. My intuition seemed to me to be detecting snideness in those responses, or at least responses not proportional in sincerity to the comments highlighted.

It was rude of me to reproach you, especially so as by your question to me it would seem you did not intend them as I read them.

 

Now that we have that settled, maybe OWB can answer some of the questions as he promised.:Doesn't it seem logically impossible that the women told no one and that they told any disciples? After the disciples hear from the women that the tomb is empty, what do the disciples do? Dismiss the tale as idle women talk”(Luke 24:11) Or go to the tomb to see for themselves (John 20:5)? In Matthew, after the women tell the disciples, they go to Galilee & meet Jesus. In Luke’s, they never leave Jerusalem. Jesus appears to two disciples on the road to Emmaus, & they tell the others & Jesus appears to all (Luke,24:36-49). If Matthew is right & the disciples immediately go to Galilee & see Jesus’ ascent, how can Luke be right that the disciples stay in Jerusalem the whole time, see Jesus ascend from there, and stay on until the day of Pentecost? Did these both happen?

 

Luke 24:50 says he led them out to the vacinity of Bethany where they saw the ascension.

 

The idea of proxy sacrifice was unacceptable to god, that is why Jesus came, to "show the way", drive the money changers from the temple, come as you are. You owe no debts save you forgive the world your judgments, the requirements you have placed upon it and thus the misery you bring to yourself and others.
Judge not lest ye be judged, for the measure you give is the measure you get.

If I tell you gods children are innocent in creation, will you tell me they are all sinners? Will you insist on it because the bible says it is so? If so by your own words you have been condemned to sinful nature. Not by me, not by christ, not by god, but buy our own words we are justified or we are condemned. We create as god creates. Our energies are directed into the world on the quality of our breath, the narrative we tell ourselves about the world.

 

Your mourning is misplaced, if it is because of me. I was not telling a sad story, I was making a point. Jesus prescribes that we treat our brothers with equanimity, that is equal mind. We treat our brothers as ourselves and as though they were equal to Christ, as you do unto the least, you do also unto me. Jesus is deserving of your devotion as a brother and of our respect as an elder brother, but our fundamental gratitude, awe, is appropriate only for god.

The human relationship of exclusive devotion, i. e. my best friend or "forsaking all others" sets our brothers against each other in our own minds. One is worthy of special treatment the other is not.

He has. God created the world and all that is in it and saw that it was good.

 

Paul corrects Peter in scripture, Jesus corrects Peter in scripture. Not only does Jesus correct Peter in scripture but also tells him he is not speaking with god but with men. Woman corrects Jesus in scripture, " even the dogs get the crumbs from the children table"
The bible is a story written by many people, assemble from collected writings.
Not canonized until three hundred years after Christ and to this day, translated in many forms. These things we know. The belief that the bible as we know it today, is the unerring word of god, was not taught by Jesus.

 

Yes, he does. Bethany is on the outskirts of Jerusalem, and in Luke's version they saw the ascension from there. In Acts (also by Luke?), the disciples are told by Jesus not to leave Jerusalem until Pentecost. But in Matthew's version, the disciples are told to go to Galilee to meet Jesus, which they do immediately. In Luke's version they are not told to go to Galilee; they are told that Jesus had foretold his resurrection while he was in Galilee. And they stay in Jerusalem. At least that's the way it seems to me. To me, the important point is that they met Jesus and He ascended; my point is that the details may not be precisely consistent, and I think OWB has conceded as much. I just want him to confirm that in cases like this. In other words, if somebody used a Bethany ascension site instead of a Galilean ascension site to make some collateral point about geography or history, it wouldn't be valid. I'd also hope people don't have the idea that if they can't make pieces like this fit, they can't trust Scripture on the main points.

 

4,000? try 24,000. christ was the 23rd return of adam. mohamid the 24th, moses, the 22nd. you have to count and use your head to see it. but it's actually in there.
(in 1844 there was a 25th, but if you don't feel like believing that, this is up to you. just as, for that matter, has always been belief in any of them)

 

You said; “judgment is the original and root of all sin”. Nowhere in the Bible is that thought found or even implied. In fact both God and Jesus are spoken of as judging and passing judgment, so for your statement that “judgment is the original and root of all sin” to be true, it would imply that both God and Jesus are sinners because they engage in judgment.