Adam and 4000 BC

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  1. Okiefreak

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    If you mean answered by you, I guess I missed that. Can you refer me to your answers? In fact, I don't think I've noticed that anybody ever addressed them all on Hip Forums. I certainly don't know that they have. I didn't expect you to. In fact, I think I might be psychic in predicting your response--or at least a range of similar ones. Check them out on the thread Prophecies of Karnack that I opened earlier in the general Philosophy section. Prophecy "a", focusing on a small part of the post for attack while ignoring the rest, is well-illustrated by dwelling on the P.S. part of my post, while ignoring the rest. The ad hominem attack ( prophecy "b") is certainly there: "it seems like you think taking the Bible seriously means believing that the Bible means anything you want it to mean and that serving God is doing anything that doesn't inconvenience you". You also essentially ignore the substance of my post, which would fit prophecy "g". Your actual response is somewhat novel, in that you dodge the questions by claiming you've already answered them at some unspecified time or place--several times over, in fact. Another item in the versatile Bible Thumper's bag of tricks. Do they train you in these at the JW School of Artful Dodging? I don't know whether it would be more disturbing if you're deliberately using them as a dodge, or if you actually believe it. Your response sure beats having to grapple with serious questions. You might think you've handled the questions effectively. I doubt that our audience agrees.
     
  2. thedope

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    What things would those be?

    Thank you.
     
  3. thedope

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    Could you describe some synchronies, coherent relations between the bible and the world?
     
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    You'd like that wouldn't ya': that Heidegger is put to rest as wrong, and that history leads to philosophy for abstract consideration of the historical activity of man and humans doing their good deeds everywhere.:eggnog:
     
  5. thedope

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    I'm not sure why an example of coherence between statements in the bible and the phenomenal world would put Heidegger to rest as wrong.
    You are so much better versed in classical philosophies than I am.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    You might try reading the 24th chapter of Matthew as a start.
    You're welcome.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Again you might try reading the 24th chapter of Matthew.
     
  8. thedope

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    I have. I am curious as to why you would claim that salvation is more complicated than loving god with all your heart and loving your neighbor as though yourself?
     
  9. thedope

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    Again, the answer to this question is one only you can provide. What are your examples of the phenomena of the world being coherent with your view of the bible. I have no idea what evidence you find in the world, and I have read the passages you refer too.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    You do go on, if you've forgotten just reread these threads:
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=363663&f=467
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=385869&f=467
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=395904&f=467
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=360926&f=88
    If you don’t find your questions answered there, I’ll be glad to answer them for you.

    For example I’ll answer this one again for you:
    The genealogies given are for both Mary and Joseph.
    The one given by Matthew the tax collector is that of Joseph, who was of the royal line of David and shows that Jesus through adoption could sit on the throne of David. Those familiar with the Bible, know that after Jehoiachin (also called Jeconiah, or Coniah), the royal line was cut off and none of his descendents could sit on David’s throne.

    The genealogy of Luke the physician, traces the lineage of Mary and shows that Jesus was a direct descendent of David and shows that the lineage of David would continue to rule on David’s throne.

    Seems simple enough.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Even Jesus added that one must endure to the end.
    Okay you've read them, fair enough. Okay, what is Jesus talking about?
     
  12. thedope

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    Does it say anything about a time limit on loving god?
    Originally Posted by thedope View Post
    Again, the answer to this question is one only you can provide. What are your examples of the phenomena of the world being coherent with your view of the bible. I have no idea what evidence you find in the world, and I have read the passages you refer too.

    You not only give the biblical passage but also the worldly phenomena that demonstrates the biblical passage.
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    Thanks, pal. You've given me general references to four threads of hundreds of items, without bothering to include the specific numbers for the alleged items pertinent to the questions. So I'm gonna have to say--duh--I didn't find my answers there. So you said you'd be glad to answer them. I look forward to it.

    As for the geneologies, it looks to me that the one provided by Luke is also of Joseph: "...being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, the son of Matthat, etc. As for the cutting off of the royal line after Jeconaih, I don't see how that quite explains how Joram got to be Uzziah's father instead of his great, great grandfather. Sounds lame rather than simple.
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes. It says that it can't be a one time thing or only for a short period of time but needs to be continuous.
    This part is got scrambled some how please re-post it.
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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  16. thedope

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    Quite frankly to love god with all your heart all your might is of itself a sufficient statement. As long as you have heart and might it is for the love of god. To endure to the end is a corroborative statement, not an additional requirement.
     
  17. thedope

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    You claimed that your view of the bible is coherent with the world you see. I asked that you give examples of this coherent evidence.
    co·her·ent [kō hrənt]
    adj
    1. logically or aesthetically consistent: logically or aesthetically consistent and holding together as a harmonious or credible whole.
     
  18. Okiefreak

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  19. thedope

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    i.e., useful
     
  20. Okiefreak

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    Micah 6:8:"And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."
     

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