I believe everyone who has posted here has made their point a gazillion times over. Many people are pro-choice, many people are not. Mui, you succeeded in making one helluva abortion thread. I'm so dizzy...
west point. All of us pro-choicers have already stated our arguments.SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES..on this thread and many others.You may feel free to go and read them if you want. But I'm not gonna be a broken record...I do that enough with Fuck Hin. I already complimented you on your stance of leaving it to individual choice while remaining pro-life for yourself.
This thread could be cut in half if it were not for all the pages of bashing back and forth and sticking to the post topic. I have posted in like 4 abortion threads over time....all of them turn out like this even though the originator asks us all not to do it. This will always be a torn debate.
No, you manipulated the truth. -First you said the conservative thing is a stereotype. As if you were a free-thinking conservative (lol) -Now that people forget that you're really just part of them then you're judgement on what doesn't matter can be taken seriously ... -...and your opinion on individual responsibility doesn't come from a "minding other people's asses" philosophy anymore, of course. I'm not going to argue and dissect every point on abortion though. If pro-lifers really thought "Give life a chance" then they would spend time & money to help those people dieing everyday because of poverty, exploitation, etc then just vote to outlaw abortions. Instead of wasting their time arguing on morals and being on the constant analysis of Right and Wrong. btw, isn't it a little hypocritical that alcohol isn't banned or banning it isn't that big of a issue anymore ? I think you know it, but i heard it causes tons of accidents, poisoning, family problems, violence, etc. Why don't people think of priorities ? We would give life a chance with less drunks on the road and poison in the public (and banning it SURE would improve the situation)... Or the govt could just spend some more taxmoney for the poor. Huh, no, of course it's much easier to find stronger heart-tugging arguments on abortion and most people won't need an abortion in their lives and taxes are unfair (we're not some damn commies!), a larger part of the population can then get in self-righteous mode about abortion... Plus it's also a "IN" issue. Anyone who use religion as source of morals should not be taken seriously anyway.
Haha, yeah, theres no way I could be an individual. Your right. 10% of my increase goes to helping the needy. However you must realize that there is a difference between the poor and unborn babies. The majority of individuals below poverty level are there becasue of their own demise. An unborn baby on the other hand, has not been given a shot at life. Yeah It is hypocritical. If put in charge, I would make sure that alcohol and smoking is banned. Our country doesn't need to kill its self. I didn't bring this up thought because this is not a topic on drugs. If your final statement rings true, the most succesfull nation's in the history of the earth should not be taken seriously.
they dont ban those things because it is a huge cash flow business. And because not everyone becomes addicted to it so it would cause a problem...not everyone is an abuser.
Perhaps true. Just as true however -- This issue is not going away. To a large segment of the American people this is now and will continue to be the one issue that is above all others. This is the issue that put the republicans in the White House in 4 of the last 6 elections. This is the issue that put the republicans in control of both the House and the Senate. Going on 40 years since Roe V Wade, this issue still commands 15 pages of debate, and I expect that both liberals and conservative in 1973 would be astonished to see this. Roe V Wade was a terrible mistake, a mistake as big as the Missouri Compromise and the Dred Scott Decision. Those mistakes did not go away. This one won't either.
I wonder how many of those who vehemently oppose abortion support the Iraq war. (Not just the Iraq war, but it's fresh in our minds so serves as a useful example.) Opposing abortion is a principled matter of protecting the sanctity of innocent life, no matter what. Yet many of the same people (ie conservative-leaning people) who strongly oppose abortion, also support the pragmatic need to kill innocent people in their tens of thousands in the name of "security" (or whatever the Iraq war was supposed ot be about). You'd think that if you believe all innocent life is sacred and that there is never a pragmatic case for terminating an unborn child for the greater good, then you would also be a pacifist. I'm making no judgement here, just noticing a fascinating apparent double standard.
I find it rather amusing that you would tell someone they are lame for doing the exact same thing you did three posts earlier. "If you honestly believe that prisons do not assist in deturing crime in America you are flat out wrong. No need to even debate it. your just wrong. You havent thought the subject over." ... Just sayin'.
*shrugs* I can't see why someone would oppose such legislation, so long, as I said, the information provided by the state for the clinics and hospitals (some do abortion, you know, it's not just evil "abortion mills") is non-biased in nature. I am all for any sort of education. Sex education, especially. It's the key to preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and if we prevent unwanted pregnancy, we therefore prevent abortion. Something I am sure everyone can agree on.
Woo Hoo! Yes. That's my stand. Abortion is not and should not be a legal issue. It is a social one. All these problems whether it be abortion, drug abuse, poor education, teen pregnant, teen sex, start at one place...HOME.
What you say is accurate about legalization of drugs. It's true about tobacco and alcohol. It's true about helmet and seat belt laws. But NOT about abortion, since every abortion kills an innocent human being. That fact just isn't going away.
Since science has as yet been unable to determine when "life" begins, you cannot make a dogmatic claim that it is a human life at the point it is aborted. To many its just a collection of cells. Ultimately if the Christian right had any consistency to its beliefs whatsoever they would also be forced to admit that each and every person stands before God to be judged according to his or her own actions. Therefore abortion is neither the business of domineering religious zealots nor the state. It is a private matter between the parents and God. Unless of course the zealots intend to put their money where their mouths are and adopt every unwanted child.
AGAIN, http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm it's not a mass of cells. At least, not anymore than you or me. Christianity has nothing to do with the fact that it IS NOT a collection of cells. It's just easier to make yourself feel better about the lies you spread if you go around thinking that every pro-lifer out there is some hypocrite christian. As I see it, both sides are full of shit. "pro-lifers" are only pro life as long as it doesn't affect their lives....those same people also like to bitch about welfare and other programs that are in place in order to assure that all those babies they say have a right to live can at least have a half-assed decent one. "pro choicers" like to play make believe, and totally disregard any scientific facts about what it is they're really doing. Instead of making lame ass excuse about "it not being alive", "it's my body", "it's only a mass of cells" and just ADMIT that abortion is (at least at this point in time) a nessecary evil but sometimes hard decisions have to be made, they're just as sorry and full of shit as the dogmatic conservative right.
Well of course I can. Don't be ridiiculous! Actually protecting life IS a matter for the entire society to take care of. It has always been one of the most important functions of government. And here we are again at this never-ending lamo argument. Hear me! There simply are no unwanted babies! Every baby born is wanted by someone, and "zealots" would have to stand in line with the rest of the desiring parents to even get a chance to have one of them!
I wanna know where the hell you get that crazy idea. No unwanted babies? BULLSHIT! Think of all the HIV positive babies that have absolutely no one to take care of them? What about all the babies that are placed in boxes and dumpsters and left to die, or the babies who die from malnutrition and beatings every single year? Are they all just a figment of our imagination? What about all of the parentless children caught up in our foster care/welfare system right now? i'd like for you to visit some of them and tell them to their face that they don't exist.
