PP was only mentioned in passing in one of those articles, in regards to a quote about safe sex. Were you giving me those in reply to my question about what PP encourages?
There has never been a case of HIV traced to an abortion provider. Sounds like a load to me. (Or a convenient excuse to her husband!) She or her husband didn't sue the clinic? If so, it isn't on record. She had an abortion that she didn't want because her dd wanted to be an only child? This womyn needs (or needed) some serious help. If it is true at all. I find it hard to beleive a mature womyn, with a child already would let an other child "make" her have an abortion? Is it a possibility that the HIV as well as the pregnancy came from the same source? Would easily explain the pregnancy and the abortion as well as the HIV (if this is even true.)
I have to admit, my cousin was a quack. Yes it is possible. The tube had body fluid in it which had the HIV virus and obviously the person in which owned this abortion clinic wasn't very sterile with his supllies.
Here’s one of their brochures that includes these (misleadingly named) programs: Focus on KidsBecoming a Responsible TeenBe proud! Be responsible!Reducing the Risk
Because no matter how much we may talk about the risks of pregnancy and flash gut-wrenching pictures of STD-afflicted genitals in health classes, young people are still going to have sex. So while it's all good and fine for programs to endorse abstinence, abstinence-only (sorry I should've been more specific in my last post) programs just aren't going to affect the majority of its audience. So it's best that we acknowledge the fact that a lot of young folk have sex, and also educate them about safer sex, and encourage use of condoms, contraceptives etc.
Thank you. I would have no problem with programs like these at my children's school; they would learn all of it at home anyway. Kids will have sex. No matter what their parents say. Human beings are sexual beings; teenagers are naturally curious about sex. We should encourage abstinence as the best option but teach them everything they need to know about starting a sexual relationship should they choose to do so, and the things that go along with that decision: disease, pregnancy, how to have safe sex, etc. It's unfortunate that a lot of...conservative pro-lifers want to do away with abortion, but at the same time oppose any steps that could be taken in order to help curb the problem at least, such as comprehensive sex education for teenagers.
Babies aren't NEARLY as expensive as some people make them out to be. (minus the Doc appts, but if you're make less than 30,000/yr they usually put newborns on medicaid.) if you're one of the type of people that seems to think they absolutely MUST have strollers etc, there's always goodwill, the salvation army, and/or other charitable organisations that you can either buy those items for really cheap ($10 or less) or sometimes they'll give them to you. Rich, poor, middle class, no matter how much you make you should always breatfeed unless you have some reason why you can't......And if that is the case and your poor, most states offer programs like WIC that will help you buy formula for your baby. Just a note, I own a crib, but it's barely ever been used. My children always slept with me until they were 3, my youngest just turned 3 and she still goes to sleep with me and then I put her in her toddler bed for the night. I bought it for $30 at a flea market, I bought her booster seat for $10. Gabino, where do you live? Seriously, no insults or anything intended, but I'd really like to find out because here in the state of Ga and in much of the SE US, there IS a problem with unwanted children. At my old high school I used to be friends with a dude who had been given up at birth, he had nothing physically, mentally or medically wrong with him and he was living in a boys' home a few blocks from the school. He'd been in the foster care system since birth. There were many alot of guys from that home (about 20) and I'd say that at least half of them had no parents involved in their life what-so-ever.....much less trying to get them back. I've known alot of people who were in the foster care system for most of their lives, and none of them were ever adopted. Some of them had parents that were trying to get them back, but most didn't. (just to let you know, I only claim to know all of these people because I used to go through some pretty rotten shit as a kid myself, in school and all they tend to put students in counceling and other support groups so you end up getting to know alot of folks who have also had a rotten life. ) Maybe you've read books on it, but I've had many friends as living proof. Maybe newborns, babies who've had their adotions arranged before birth are lucky enough to get into a family, maybe thats why the adoption counceller you "interviewed" claimed to have no trouble....but I think anytime after that is highly unlikely. On another note, of all the people I've know in the foster care system, every one of them had been abused in some way, either sexually, mentally or physically, by at least one of their foster families. That system is completely fukt.
What is wrong with this? So many teenagers are having sex. Not teaching about how to do it responsibly is not going to make it go away. Of course abstinence is the best solution, I don't think anyone will disagree. BUT, how many people did/do you know in high school that do not have sex?? God, out of my friends, I was the only one that made it to college still a virgin. It SHOULD be taught at home, but so many kids' parents don't talk about it. It is sad.
Did any of you bother to read the articles I referred "lovelyweapon" to? I don't know how anybody in their right mind could think that such curricula actually help kids. I can only hope that none of you are parents.
Are you able to comprehend anything I just said above? Yes, I looked at those links, and I have no problem with programs like those enacted in sex-ed programs that they described. Like I said before, the fact is that many young people are gonna have sex no matter what they're told. It's simply the nature of hormones and human curiosity. People who insist on abstinence-only programs are blind to that fact, and aren't doing the kids who do experiment with sex any good by trying to keep them in the dark on safer sex and contraceptives. It is pragmatic to face reality and realize that you do more help to prevent those very dangers of having sex by educating youths about the safer ways to have sex should they indeed choose that path. It's a matter of common sense here, not moral purity.
You seem very sincere, and I suspect you are. I also suspect that you got the wrong info. These are some facts that i am positive of... [1] Prospective adoptive parents are going as far as India or China to get babies to adopt, because none are available to them in the US. Not only do I know several of these people personally, I have also read {the library books I mentioned} the costs, the agents, the lists of nations that sell children in this way. [2] When these parents go to these other nations they pay very stiff fees to the host nations. [3] Children that are in foster care usually are not available to be adopted. Most often there is a biological parent somewhere who has not given up parental rights.
Hey, rather than just taking my word for it, OR doubting my word, it would be easy for you to check yourself. Call an adoption agency.
Abortion should not be illegal because it will still go on. Doctors will get rich of killing these little babies illegally to me thats just sickening. In some cases abortion needs to happen but there are not that many. If you are 35 years old married and making 200k a year and you get pregnant.....get an adoption you selfish bitch.
sorta off-topic, but i was having a conversation last night with my neighbor, and i heard the following arguments against gun control, and i KNEW i'd heard them somewhere before, and it really struck me as funny: "A lot of {liberals} have this brain malfunction... they look at the surface of issues and cannot see what will happen as an effect of the issue. They also have this thing, where they think if they make something illegal, it'll magically go away (and they than stand on higher moral ground for stopping it). The truth is though, if you make something illegal its NOT going to stop it from happening. If you make {guns} illegal, abortion will still go on..." i mean, the statement was almost to the word the same. it cracked me up.
I hate to say it, because who knows, someone might take me up on it. The logical conclusion to your argument then, would be [1] Keep the babies alive, [2] But kill the troublesome 6 year olds.
I was born with a heart defect and told never to have children because my heart couldn't take the strain of labor and I would die, Which was ok cuz I had my own reasons not to want my own kids. I had planned on adopting children from other countries. Then I got married and pregnant. I never told my ex exactly how bad my medical condition was until I was 4 months pregnant with the first baby. So we were both concerned when I went into labor the first time. Obviously the Docs were wrong cuz now I have 7 kids. If I had an abortion then and killed my daughter I would have missed all those years with her and never known that the Docs were wrong. I have known a few people who use abortion as a form of birth control and a few others who keep giving their babies away as if they were unwanted trash. Usually kids of adoption wonder what was wrong with them that caused their mother to get rid of them. People complain that they can't afford to many babies...well how did your grandparents do it then? My kids never had designer clothes or their own rooms and I think they are better off without them. If you wait until you can "afford" them then you would probably never have kids because you would be to busy buying all your material things, then wonder why you grew old alone.
I am a parent. As I stated in my other post, I wouldn't care if my children learned such things in a sex ed program, but they will know it already because I will be teaching it to them as well. How does it not help kids to know about safe sex?
