Abortion

Ok, I'm gonna go ahead and say you need to get some fucking balls and self esteem, stop being a deusch on the internet, and get an actual life. Your arguments are absurd, your ideologies are even worse, and you're not accomplishing anything by posting stupid stuff in this thread.

Vodoo, I'm sorry for your loss. Nobody should have to go through that.

 

Or maybe you just dont make sense

Apart from the fact that you opnly defend fascism - thats no secret - you cannot equate the two - since a woman chooses rights over her own body that victims of the holocaused never had - they had no rights - HOWEVER - in law the unborn has a right that is contestible under the law such as if a woman were dying after a car accident - Doctors are empowered to attempt to save the unborn.

and some ignorant people say we dont

Well weve got you to keep us entertained ! Besides this is just the potential person argument - so should every woman have sex with a genius because if she doesnt then we might be giving birth to average people ? Hang on a minute thats what you mean isnt it? This unborn baby could or could not have been a genius
If it could be one we shouldnt abort ? well chances of a real genius even by mensas predictions are about 1 in 7,000,000 that will make a difference to the world and its affairs just how many true geniuses are there in your world

Are you feeling suicidal? Honestly - I swear take a IQ test - you would have failed it - now just how do you propose we measure profound retardation ? Well who are you in comparison to say, Sartre, Camus, Einstein, Bill Gates, Freddy Mercury, or are they too gay, wealthy, existentialist, and jewish for you? why is this all kill kill kill
Why isnt any of it about the right to life rather than the right to "kill the ones you dont want"? and the two arent the same

what dont you like old people ? Why not just float your granny away on an iceberg then like the innuits did ? I'm sure your mom would love that - hey you are funny - you should write a book ! it would be a comedy best seller
I am a fan of your comedy but I hope you arent serious about any of it - its silly

On a serious note tho I hope you are never faced with the dilemma of a situation where your wife has to decide whether she needs an abortion to save her life - it is not pleasant and NO WOMAN makes the choice to abort lightly - maybe when you are mature enough to understand the situation a woman faces when abortion is an issue you will have some right to moralise and lecture on it ! I wonder how many women actually found it offensive to them that that you, a male, with little knowledge outside of a school yard is lecturing on important issues that consume them with emotion for a lifetime?
Perhaps you should at least get about 20 years experience of living with a woman as a partner before you try criminalising the ones that made that decision, with your snidey and vindictive morals - by that time you may be thinking a lot more, and writing a lot less

 

Abortion is a womans right. Maximus is nothing but a ignorant pig and I'm surprised nobody has banned his fucking imoral bullshit by now.

 

You seem too close minded and American, do you realise that in Canada Abortions are covered by 9 of the 10 Provinces Health Care system? I bet you didn't. Also, in Russia it's much cheaper, in China doesn't cost you a cent if you already have a kid because of the one child policy. so maybe you should think outside the U.S.

I never argued that. Where did you get me talking about abstinence?

I stress, the condom + the pill.

 

Show me the proof.

 

I'm immoral? And you call me ignorant. WOW.

 

Thank you for sharing that, I respect your point of view. I wish the majority of the world thought like that. I hope you have another child later down the road.

 

I doubt I'm as big of a douche as you. I hope you are more tolerant of people who dissagree with you in the future.

 

First World Nations are wealthier and their populations are diminishing, while 3rd World Nations which are poorer are increasing in population, that's just what I think though.

I'm friends with one adopted kid, she's made a great life for herself, and even if she wonders why her real parents gave her up she's better the way she is.

 

Nazism and Fascism have many similarities but they're not the same thing, first off. Second, the unborn babies have no rights either, same as you said the Holocaust prisoners did not have rights.

One in 7 Million? I doubt that. It's what definition you choose to use for genius. Are you saying there are only 42 geniuses in the States? Do you know how many research facilities there are? There are some great lawyers too. Think about that. I'm not talking about the geniuses with 200+ I.Q. I'm talking about the geniuses with 150+ I.Q. The average I.Q. is somewhere between 100-110.

I took two I.Q. tests, one when I was 13, the other when I was 17, the I.Q. test I took when I was 13 came out 119, the one I took when I was 17 came out 132. Since I've heard it doesn't change much after 15-18, I've stuck with those results.

Why don't you look up profound mental retardation and find out, just the fact that there's a definition should tell you something.

It's the women 25 and under that have the most abortions in North America. I don't need 20 years to understand abortion is immoral and in most cases unneeded

 

Abortion is a legal viable option for women. This is where it stands. It is perfectally acceptable. The people who don't approve will just have to get over themselves. It's not your decision to make....nor should you be able to impose your own personal moral oppinion on anyone else's body. If you are morally opposed to abortion no one forces you to have one....but you will just have to come to terms with the fact that morals are little more then personal oppinion...and personal oppinion has no place in legislation. Your moral and religious oppinions are not shared by everyone....and you don't have the right to chip away at the freedoms of others...just because you disagree with their choices or because they do not share your religious viewpoint.

Abortion is NOT murder. "Murder" is a LEGAL TERM that pertains ONLY to fully born persons. Don't believe me...look it up.

Abortion is no more "morally reprehensible" then war, smoking, driving, globilization, animal slaughter.....these things take hundreds of thousands of lives of fully born persons/creatures every single year. These things cause death. These things cause suffering....are they "immoral" you may think so but I still have the right to join to army(I do not support war btw just making a point), light up a ciggy, drive around, and eat meat(I am a vegan...agian making a point).

All the abortions in the wold combined do not cause half as much "death" as any of these actions. What is your opposition? It you take away sentimentality, emotion, and religion...what is the true opposition? A fetus can not suffer.......atleast not until well into the third trimester when abortion is not legal free of health risks to the mother. A fetus can not feel pain during the abortion. A fetus doesn't know any better. He is not sentinent? I just find it incredibly hipocritical that so many "pro-life" people can condem abortion...a choice that does not cause suffering....and support so many actions that are harmful to human kind and cause great suffering to creatures that actually have the capacity to suffer.

 

In Canada, third trimester abortions are legal and covered by the health care system. All the abortions in the world a year are much greater in number than war casualties.

 

Just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

Wikipedia is not a good source for many things, so I don't suggest you read the whole thing, just the first paragraph and to take a look at the map.

I wish I could post the first paragraph outright as a quote but for some reason I'm unable to paste on here.

 

Disagreement doesn't bother me at all, if you can argue your opinion. You cannot argue it. You refused to respond to the reasons I posted for why I think abortion is fine. It seems rational that if you had a reasonable opposition to abortion, you could argue against my opinion. Can you? :bigear: That's me being all ears.

 

I am surprised that prolife people on this site have not repeatedly posted pictures of aborted fetuses in the same manner as antiwar people post pictures of civilian casualties (such as Skip does). Just an observation.

 

42 geniuses in the states
I was being generous - I think theres only that in the world
the rest are followers - genius is a rare event indeed
maybe 1/21,000,000
then
PULEEZE DONT COUNT YOURSELF AMONGST THEM
itr would just be a vanity TOO far stretched !!!

 

Maximus, say what you will, but you will never know how it feels to be a woman and pregnant.

You will never know how it feels when you see that positive mark on the stick, and know that your body is not your own anymore.

And fuck you for saying I'm close minded. I don't give two shits how easy it is to obtain an abortion in Canada, that doesn't make it any easier for the woman to experience it. And that is something you will NEVER understand.

If anyone is being close minded here it is you, don't you dare put me down for something that applies to ME, to my gender, directly.

 

Yeah, and in all situations it is not possible for a mother to go through with having the baby if she has a medical condition that puts her life and her baby's life at risk.

So sometimes it isn't just that black and white to say, that you're going to give the child up for adoption.

You need to pay attention to those grey areas before you make any conclusions, buddy.

I will be damned if I am going to put my life at risk for an unwanted a child, it's that simple. Why is that child's life more important than my own?
Why should that child have MORE rights, than I do?

Because, if you're going to tell me, to put my life at risk, to have a child, and I died during labor, that baby got a hell of a lot more rights than I did at the chance of life.

 

By the way, Maximus, I wasnt being close minded by stating a fact of the way it is in America. I wasn't trying to speak for everyone.

I can't help it if thats how it is in Canada; it's not here, so don't generalize it for everyone as being an easy way out, or whatever you're trying to do. If you want to do something about it, do something about it, rather than bitch about it on here and shove all your one-sided beliefs down everybody else's throats.

Just know that, if you try to do something about it, me amongst other pro-choice supporters, aren't going to surrender to that. I will put up just as much of a fight to protect my rights, as much y ou might to try to take them away from me.

And if you dont want to do anything about it, quit bitching about it. You have no right to bitch if you don't make an effort to do anything about it.