Abortion

Yeah because everyone just flaunts their abuse right?

 

oh christ.

 

Has anyone, except for myself, taken notice that this thread is just a two-way--sometimes three-way--argument now? Where are all of the other posters? Have they been scared away?

 

yeah.
no disrespect to anyone, but a bitch-fest gets us no where.

im sure we can aggree on something,

pro choice? anyone not?

 

Eh...I didnt read the whole thread, mind you all. 71 pages isnt that inviting >.<

Alrighty.

Stop arguing with eachother (and dont go calling it debate, either...its not). Its of no use...Insulting another because of their opinions leads to no avail (and its just rude ). Everyone needs to make an attempt at actually TALKING to eachother, being friendly, and not making any mean and sarcastic remarks about eachothers views on whatever subject >.>

 

There we go! Now we've got some other people posting .

 

xD Lol.

Well...

Abortion is a rather complicated subject. There are many different ways to view the morality surrounding it all...

It can be viewed as immorale, yeah...The logic behind this would be that its taking away the life of another living being.

You can be supportive of it, reasoning that its the choice of the womyn carrying the child.

But there are all those little details youve got to consider when deciding upon whether abortion is "right" or "wrong". Like...How would the mother treat the kid? Would it be raised in good surroundings?

Its so complicated >.< Lol. Though, im pro-choice...I think that its up to the womyn bearing the fetus...not anyone else.

 

When I started this thread, near 5 months ago I didn't care about morality but I did view a lot of things as right and wrong, since then I've adopted a new view, that there is no right and wrong, about 3 or so months ago I gave it real thought and have tried living with those views.

If I could restart the poll I'd make 3 options:

1. It is a justifiable action
2. It is not justifiable
3. It is justifiable to an extent

I think you'd have a much more interesting poll, indeed I have stated I support abortion in several cases and in the very early stages before the first heartbeat is recorded ( 6 weeks ).

If you're interested my " when should it be legal " poll got placed here:

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214181

 

I think it shouldn't be legal past the first trimester.
You should know before then if you want to keep it or not.

I really don't consider this a debate or a "bitchfest"...it just is :tongue:

 

abortion just sucks no matter how you look at it.

let us just remeber how great technology and medicne has come in this new millenium, birth control starts at conception. how hard is it for a dude to carry a rubber??? when i was single, playin around, i always had one. there free everywhere! school, rehab, department of health.ect.ect... planed parrenthood is soooo easy to get birth control pills from too. plus they got the shots, once every 3 months, thepatch, but one ofthose is suppoused to give you heart attacks or alzhimers or some shit. and the just got, or are devoloping a male-birth control pill, it takes the tails off the lil spermies.

 

condoms break, its not all so simple.
People make mistakes, and those kind of irresponsible people shouldn't be having babies anyhow.

That'd be great if they made a male-birth control pill!
Finally...
It's his sperm, let him take care of it!

I don't want to get on the pill because I don't wanna fuck around with my body...
I think there's something in the water around here because none of my friends are on the pill and none of them are prego...

pregnancy is a myth anyhow...its just a way to scare chicks away from sex... :tongue:

 

yes, it's true that condoms do break, and that those people might not want to have children but
1) Your not irresposible for the condom breaking. Condoms break for everyone, it could happen to a teenager, or it could happen to a married couple in their thirties, who just doesn't want children yet.
2) Yes, it's his sperm, but he didn't make it alone. The woman was the one with the egg. The male could come back and say the same thing "it was her egg, and shes the one with the baby in her stomach."

That's what adoption is for. You might not want children, but if you get pregnant, it was your choice to have sex in the first place, it wasn't the baby's fault the condom broke or whatever. So why would you go and kill it? There are sooo many couples out there who can't have kids and are looking to adopt. That is such a closed minded way to look at it- "oh well i'm pregnant and don't want to be. So i'm just going to kill this living person inside of me."

And then the arguement of rape comes in. No, the woman didn't decide to have sex, but still, just because you were raped, is no reason to kill the baby. It was not the child's fault, so why take it out on them? Can you be any more hateful? Again, if you don't want the child, give it up for adoption to a family who will love it, don't kill it.

 

It's MURDER. That's a life inside that woman. She should not have opened her legs. Plus, it isnt that baby's fault. End of story.

 

It bewilders me why this is made out to be a case of women who get joy out having an abortion. Do you understand how hard it is for anyone to make that decision? It is the toughest decision that will ever be made in an entire lifetime. It is not as though the situation is always "I am pregnant because I slept around town having unprotected sex, so now I am going to have an abortion out of my selfishness." That could be the case for some people, but it is certainly not the case for everyone. Someone has already brought this up, but even using protection has its limits. There is no 100% guaranteed way of avoiding pregnancy, unless people choose not to have sex at all. Even then, there is always the possibility of rape, molestation, ect. I know that the otherside of this debate does not like hearing the rape argument, but let's face it, it happens. You can ignore it as much as you'd like, but there are still adults, and even children, who deal with unwanted pregnancies. Do you want to talk about hateful? I will tell you what would be hateful: the government actually forcing an undeveloped girl to give birth. These are the reasons that abortion is legal. It is not the government's choice. It is the mother's choice. When the government physically carries the baby, they can choose what is right. Until then, leave it to the mothers to make the decisions themselves. If you believe adoption is the best choice under all circumstances, that is fine, but please do not make it sound as though women have abortions out of hate. They do what they feel is right, and it is their choice to decide what is right with their body.

 

ADOPTION.

As i said before, with the rape part, it's not the childs fault, don't take it out on the child.

Have the child, then give it to a loving family. I don't care how old you are, you don't just kill children like that. And, you will only get pregnant at a certain age. If your old enough to have your eggs be developed enough to get pregnant in the first place, then your old enough to have the child and give it up for adoption.

 

Adoption is wonderful if the children end up in loving homes, but that does not always happen. Some children spend their lives switching back and forth between different homes and orphanages. It is even worse today because of so many unwanted children being born into the world. Also, not every orphanage is well-managed. A lot of people, like those who run day care centers, are just in the business for the money and could careless about the children who stay there.

In response to the comment about physical maturation to give birth--just because an adolescent has the ability to become pregnant does not mean that there will not be defects and other problems caused by it. Check out these websites for more information about that: http://www.teenpregnancy.org/whycare/sowhat.asp
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/31697/25753/310396.html?d=dmtContent

 

They tried back in the 60s after they made the pill for the women, it failed, the male subjects grew boobs and their testis shrunk.

 

According to you it's better to be prematurely killed than be born into a foster home, I know foster kids that made a great life for themselves, so that arguement, even though it's your opinion and you can have it, is quite hypocritical, because how do you define a bad life? A loving poor family with six children may be seen as a bad life, but you're only 17 so time may change your views.

 

1) I was not calling ppl who get a ripped condom irresponsible.
I was calling those who in the heat of the moment don't use one, or just don't care enough to use some protection.
2) I say we stop the problem at the root, the guy.
I want it stopped before it gets to me, he's the first step.

And I hate the idea of dumping your babies on to others.
I think the world is over populated.
Go adopt some kid from another country.
Not to mention, who the fuck would carry a rapist's baby to term!?
I will never carry any baby to term.
Abortion is the easiest decision for me.
I hate the idea of carrying it for nine months...the extra weight, pain, vomiting, nausia, hair, money, stress...etc. Not to mention, going into labor!
Then it sucking the life out of you for eighteen years and growing up to blame you for all its problems anyhow.
I guess I grew up in a "dysfunctional" family and my views may be different than yours..but that's just how it all is...ain't it?

 

Jesus Fucking Christ!!

I do believe I can easily say you are a selfish person, and no that's not an opinion that is an actual fact, look up selfishness and then think about yourself.

WOOOOOW