Abortion

Thank you for your insight, hippy i am . Oh, and thank you for not referring to our one-year age difference as a way to make me feel that I am an object that is unable to have opinions. I seem to find that a lot around here.

 

big whoop, one year.
for cryin' out loud, man.
i was seventeen once.

be nineteen in july though...
, finally buy cigs legally!
bc it's 19 here in alabama.
and i have to go to mississippi to buy them.
it's 18 there.

 

you gotta be 19 to get smokes in alabama??
strange.

 

A High School Diplomas is a piece of paper
and I bet I'm way smarter than most people that have them.
Possibly like your parents...
...I think abortion would have been a good choice for them too! lol

JK!
That's a little mean, but you're obviously not too bright if
you think a diploma equals wisdom.
I have high ass test scores, take all honors classes...
and I bet I could whoop a lot of diploma-carrying 20 yr olds
when it comes to logic and such.

So don't give us any age-acquired wisdom BS.

I'm 17 and my gawddamn opinion means just as much as some lame guy like you.

and P.S. NO VAGINA, NO OPINION. ^_^

 

Every individual has an opinion, but some opinions do carry more weight. If you want to think you're smarter than my parents, you can. I.Q. tests are all that matter, but that's my lone opinion.

P.S. Your " NO VAGINA, NO OPINION " phylosophy is your opinion.

 

You can't be of low intelligence and score high on an I.Q. test, you can be a mediocre person and score high, but you can't be an idiot and score, it would take a HUGE anomaly of coincidences.

P.S. Internet I.Q. tests don't count, that's a joke, real I.Q. tests contain at least 250 questions, although I've heard some with up to 2,000.

 

That's not fact, that's your opinion, and unlimited abortion is nowhere near universal.

 

So you're 18 and have had 3 abortions already?

I am entitled to my opinion, and in my opinion, you can hardly say it's not your fault 3 times, once, yes, but three times? Either you have extremely bad luck in contraceptives, or you're an easy rape target, or maybe all your fetuses were on their way to a harsh abnormality? This is my opinion, hopefully you'll take it as such, I am a bit of a heartless bastard I'll admit, again, my single opinion, perhaps you'd like to PM me your stories, it's a private manner I understand, it's up to you, but I'd need some conviction.

 

It is interseting that people talk about the abortion issue as a dialogue between pro choice and pro birth. I would like to make a few observations. Intelligent ones I'd like to believe. First, If abortion is criminalized the cost of the procedure would be enormous due to limited access to clinics, and fewer practioners would rightfully demand a higher cost to cover the risk of performing an illegal operation. Any public policy that outlaws a demanded service or good effectivly discriminates against low class/income citizens. There is no question that rich people are capable of obtaining black market goods and services more readily, after all they have the financial means to pay prices driven upwards by prohibitory action and they have the power to hold the enforcers at arms length. The right to choose is proper if the overall goal of society is to create equallity, especially in terms of product availiblity, especially if the product in question can determine the future income stock and flow by limiting the number of dependent children and freeing up financial and maternal resources. Hopefully people that feel that it is morally wrong to abort a fetus also realize it is immoral to limit the choice of another in such a way as to effect the livelihood of that indivdual. Now that I have discussed the benefit of free choice I will talk a little about the absurdity of pro birth. People of a healthy society should be focused on the concept of pro life. Many of the porponents of pro birth do not support policy alternatives that raise the standard of living for the downtrodden sector of the local or national community. In effect, they desire to protect the rights of life of the unborn while denying the rights of life to the born. What types of things should be considered rights of life? Good question, not so ambiguous as it may seem on the surface. The rights to life include the provision of the requistes of life; the things that indiviuals must have because without their life would be adversely affected. These things include, but must no be limited too, food, water, shelter, clothing and health care, and of course, political representation, because it is the latter which secures the former. When we talk of pro birth without a garunteed minimum quality of life we talk of protecting the eventual misery of a larger portion of society. Limited resources do not allow for the full development of potential. The result of this lack of realization of potential prevents people from earning a decent wage/salary and engenders despair. The limited choice due to low income flow often increases the risk and severity of making poor decisions. Now it comes full circle, people with limited means have limited choice; people with limited choice have limited means. Society polarizes and the poles spiral, one upward and one downward, relative poverty increase, and realitive opulance increases. Poverty breeds misery and opulence breeds insecurity. What type of society do we want to live in; one that fosters freedom, liberty and life, or one that institutionalizes misery and insecurity?

 

Well, age does not equal a higher I.Q.
Just cause you're 2 yrs. older than me does not mean you're smarter or even better at making a choice about an abortion.
So, if you believe in I.Q. tests, why would you bring a high school diploma into this?

 

Oh and Max,

"No vagina, No opinion"

is not my opinion...

it's a fact. :H

 

I surely do not agree with Max on the topic, and I do believe that it ought to be the women's choice on whether or not to go through with a birth or abort but I disagree with your position communicated in the above quote. You seem like a smart young lady. You are right that a highschool diploma means very little, primarily that you have passed all the courses that a small sector of society beleives benefits the entire society in some way. Intelligence regards an individuals attitude for learning. IQ tests are supposed to measure this. Often they fail miserably. I disagree that only women should have an opinion on this topic. The effects of banning abortion are widespread and diffuse. The entire society is adversely effected, as I mentioned in my last post (check it out see what you think). It is also important that men as well as women have an opinion on the matter because half the population are male, and those votes may determine the fate of future legislation. On top of that, most of our law making representatives are men (for better or worse, I believe for the worse). Read my last post on this issue. Should this opinion not exist. If I were female it is likely I would support free choice for a completely different reason, your reason.

 

I say dont tip toe around the subject. Yes I think its acceptable, its the choice of the parents-to-be..or not-to-be. Who are we to judge the descision that they feel is right for them!

 

Just put it away or don't let them put it in, hardly rocket science is it, then you wouldn't have the problem. "Oh but I can't control myself" as if.

 

Cause with a High School diploma you can get a decent full time job, it's like a milestone.

 

There's no fact in whether abortion is right or wrong ( right and wrong really don't exist but you get what I'm saying ), facts are like, a fetus has the possibility of developing into an infant, that's a fact.

" No vagina, No opinion " is still just your single opinion ( Every opinion is single ).

 

Well, your sperm has the possiblity to develop into an infant too...you don't see us fighting you boys on masturbation...

Seriously, how are you to have an opinion on something that happens inside a girl's (NOT BOY'S) body...you'd never have to deal with it but we do...so just chill out and leave it to the pros...

 

yeah.
isn't that a bummer?

 

two of three right.
take your picks.
three times over.
and i don't share emotional burdens with "heartless bastards".
that is besides the point, anyways.
and i love this fight between you & loveminx over high school diplomas and opinionated sentiments and i.q. scores, so if you're so much older and wiser, why can't you choose your words correctly and use them in a way to where they make sense. it's out of context and oh and it's not a "private manner", it's a private matter.

and since you are such and opinionated person...
stick to the rule: NO VAGINA, NO OPINION!

 

Is the arguing over small age differences and diplomas really relevant to this debate? I doubt that anyone's opinion, especially over a topic as important as this, will change in a short amount of time. I honestly don't see how high school diplomas fit in to a person's ideology and perspective. A diploma simply indicates that a person has graduated from high school. High school students aren't that far behind college students. It is not as though we are comparing 60 year-olds to teenagers. Anyway, MaximusXXX, if you read back quite a bit of pages, you will find your post about not wanting to be talked down to by a person 9 years older than yourself. If you do not think that 9 years is that much of a difference, why would 2 years be? I am just curious.