Abortion

1. I never said false hope is a bad thing, it seems to have worked for you, so good for you.

2. You don't have to prove yourself to me, I think I made it clear I was joking about the druggie remark.

 

Yea, whatevah.

Is it possible for you to talk and voice your own opinions without using the words bible, god, jesus, scriptures, christ, etc.? please quit using the bible for an excuse and start speaking the language the rest of us do so we can hear you better. :bigear:

 

Where did ya get the good drugs!!!

 

O-o-o-o-oh-h-h-h-h. He has come again!!!!! Please tell us, what does he look like? Who is he? It's the maitreya everybody!!!! Where does he live? Where did ya meet him? What did he say?

 

Hey this is fun! If ya wanna get abuse or dish some out, just get on the "abortion" thread!!! Yay!

 

Well if I spoke without the Bible, I would sound like the rest of you, which would add little to the conversation. And my opinions are all based on what I believe and know to be the truth.

 

Jesus Christ did leave, but God sent His Holy Spirit, and He came a long time ago. He has been with us for 2,000 years. I have never seen Him, but I have heard His voice. He is here to warn, protect, comfort, teach, and reveal to His people things about the future. I recall how once I was praying and in the middle of my prayer He told me my wife was going to have a child. I guess at the time I never thought we would have any more kids, and when God told me this I was a bit surprised. I recall returning home and found my wife asleep. I leaned against the door and said to myself, my poor wife, she is pregnant and does not even know it. I then went to bed, and it was about 3 hours later when I was awaken, and found my wife sick in the bathroom. As it turned out, she was pregnant. There is a college kid on Hip Fourms who's screen name is Jesusdiedforu, hes the child God told me was coming. And I knew my wife was pregnant even before she knew. Jesus Christ is a God of Wonder, and He speaks the truth, even when you least expect it.

 

Didn't someone have to order that engraving? Or did it just magically appear?

 

As for the Jews being in Israel, it was a result of Sykes-Picot Agreement, at the end of World War I. And expanded under UN order 181 after World War II. Perhaps you want to believe in divine intervention, but the truth is the world had to find a place to situate refuges. And the Israel state has continued to expand through wars and murder to this day. If no murderer will ever see heaven then many that have fought to expand this occupation will never see heaven.

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

 

No humans were paid to do that, no magic there.

 

All joking aside. Seeing how you are SO religious, I'm sure you must live it every day. And part of that would be that you just LOVE telling other people the "good news". After all, that's part of your job as a christian. But the very real problem is this. You know those folks who go door to door witnessing for god or jesus? You DO realize that MANY times, more often than not, those people have doors slammed in their faces? Now, what earthly good does that do? You cannot teach anything positive when you annoy people that much. All you teach them is that they do not wish to have religion forced upon them. So, in continuing to mercilessly preach religion at people, you are closing the very doors that you wish to open. There has to be a balance. Balance would be NOT preaching religion at people who do not wish to hear it. Balance would be setting a GOOD example, which is having some respect for others wishes. Now, this thread, as horrid as it has been, has been utterly hijacked by a religious zealot, who would force their concept of "god" on all, to the point where the original subject matter becomes muddy and hard to follow, and people are becoming annoyed. Now, EVERYTHING is about God and Jesus.

I have some good friends who are Jehovas Witnesses, they come to my house at least once a month. They bring me their magazines. I welcome them with open arms. We rarely EVER talk about religion. But instead, I see them LIVING their religion. They don't feel they have to force their religion on me. I can SEE their works. They are true christians. But I have also met Jehovas witnesses from the same group who have rubbed me RAW with their preaching of sinners and salvation to the point where I have literally pushed them back out the door and slammed it in their faces. Those sort of folks give true christians a bad name.
So if you really want to convince someone on here that "god is the way", you need desperately to STOP this abuse of religion and stop taking the name of your gods in vain.

 

The Bible speaks about this historical reality before the event occured, and the Bible tells us, that even if Israel numbers grow as the sands of the sea, only a remnant will be saved. The God of the Bible tells us that were ever the Jews wandered, they polluted his name. God tells us they are being allow back not for their sakes, but for Gods Holy name. God is setting a trap for the Islamic nations, and all the nations who will try to drive the Jews out of Israel. I really don't believe the Jews even have a clue how God is going to deal with their enemies. It's going to be just like the Old Testament repeating itself. When the nations are about to destroy the state of Israel, that will be the time God shows His hand to the Jews, the Islamics, and the world.

 

I love it when the Jehovas Witnesses come to my door, yet it gets my wife upset . The fact is, they are at your door not for you, they are there because they believe this is required in order to get to heaven. They are trying to work their way to heaven. Yet the Bible tells us that by the works of the law no flesh will be saved. I did a study on them years ago. Their Bible was rewritten and really messed with. You see their doctrine did not agree with the Bible, so as a result, rather than change their doctrine, they rewrote the Bible. If it were not so sad, it would be funny.

 

Which version of the Bible do you espouse as the true word of God, I'd be interested in knowing.

 

I always consider a version that mirrors the Majority Text. Such as the King James. There are a number of other Translations that I would feel fine with out side of the King James as well. The Watch Tower use to use the King James in their early years, but then they began to change the verses, and in some cases remove verses they did not agree with. Their New Translation if you can call it that, is called the New World Translation. Thousands of verses have been changed or removed from their Bible. Their New Bible has been condemned by scholars world wide as more of a distortion, than a translation.

 

Which scholars. Why should your espoused version be the only true word of god. Who printed it and when. Where do you stand on Judas? We will never truly know which works are the true works. They have all been interpreted and printed by man to meet and end. None are truly the work of god, unless you have access to the convenant. Do you?

 

Dr. Bruce M. Metzger "A frightful mistranslation."
Dr. Paul L. Kaufam of Portland, Organ: "The Jehovah's Witnesses people evidence an abysmal ignorance of the basic tenets of Greek grammer In their mistranslation of John 1:1
Dr. James L. Boyer of Winona Lake, Indiana: "I have never heard of, or read of any Greek Scholar who would agree to the interpretation of this verse insisted upon by the Jehovah's Witnesses...
Dr. William Barclay of the University of Glasgow, Scotland: "The deliberate distortion of truth by this sect is seen in their New testament translations
Dr. F.F. Bruce of the University of Manchester, England: "Much is made by Arian amateur grammarians of the omission of the definite article with "God" in the phrase "And the Word was God" Such an omission is common with nouns in a predicative construction...."a god" would be totally indefensible".
Dr. J. Johnson of California State of Calfornia State University, Long Beach: "No Justification whatsoever for translating theos en ho logos as "the Word was a god." There is no syntactical paralle to Acts 23:6 where there is a statement in indirect discourse; John 1:1 is direct.... I am neither a Christian nor a trinitarian."
ect, ect, ect,.

The Majority Text number in the thousands from different times and people, yet what we find is they are all in agreement, and based on these text we can have confidence in the Bible we have today. It would be hard to ignore this many writhings, from this many people and countries.

The founder of the JWs Charles Taze Russel claimed in court to be an expert in biblical langueges. When presented with a Greek New Testament in court he was forced to admit he didn't even recognize the Greek alphabet, and also admited he was ignorant of Hebrew and Latin, in contradiction to his prior claim.

 

Do they have access to the true covenant?

 

To my knowledge there may be some first century writings that still exist but fragments at best. Yet considering we have copies made from the orginals and many of them from different countries and peoples and times. And these are considered the Majority Text that number in the thousands and are all in agremment, I believe we have enought to have confidence in the covenant. I can't find my orginal birth certificate either, yet I'm told there is enought evidence to prove I was born.

 

And you totally ignored my point.
But that's OK, I'm used to it... And believe me, I'm not a Jehovas Witness. I just used them to make the point you ignored.
The Bible's been rewritten and messed with umpteen times, and parts were even left out. And the parts that weren't left out, the ones right in front of folks, are misunderstood, and misrepresented. The Bible is as open to interpretation as the I-ching or the tarot. Great reading, all except for all those "begots", family trees are not my idea of a good time. I'll leave the study of who is related to who to the Bible scholars.
But there is darned well more to life than the Bible. I prefer to decide for myself how I wish to live, and then do the best I can with what I have to work with. I figure you're doing good if you try to leave the world a better place than it was when you found it...