Abortion

Discussion in 'Protest' started by MaximusXXX, Oct 26, 2006.

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  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You have to love how those "religious fruitloops" like to manipulate public opinion by talking murder and holocaust, but you only rave against the act, you don't try to address the reasons for it. You call the abortion of a fetus murder, but you stop short of calling the abandonment of the mother and the child and the responsibility of the father an important reason for concern. You never seek to press the male parent's role and responsibility. Only to limit the freedoms and causes of action for the mother. When you are willing to castrate chemically male parents that don't accept their responsibility..then I'll take you seriously.
     
  2. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I don't like war, and the Bible tells us that if it is possible we should live at peace with all men. I believe there are times when war is unavoidable, and sometimes necessary to protect the lives of others. If it were not for World War II certainly there would be no Jews alive today, and it would of been just a mater of time before Hitler would of killed many others who did not measure up to his standards.

    I'm against capital punishment.
     
  3. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    You do realise there are millions of preachers like you in the world right?
     
  4. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    The Bible tells you that most of the world would be turned off by the truth, and you can only claim that God is just a part of human superstition, if you ignore His truth which can be found in the Scriptures. As far as you being a good person, the Bible tells us, there is no such thing as a good person. The Bible also tells us that no one will enter Gods Kingdom by the works of the law. So the question of the day is. Why should God allow you into His heaven? And it was Jesus who said on the day of judgement many would come before Him and say, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works in your name. And Jesus will tell them, depart from Me, I never knew you. So the question is, if works even in Christs name can't save you, what does?
     
  5. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Figures, I for one believe in an eye for an eye, and don't give me that crap about Gandhi responding " an eye for an eye and then the whole world is blind ". Rapists should be raped by a machine with a 12 inch metal dildo in my opinion, depending on how bad the rape crime is, teh time goes up, for example, if some sick mind raped a 13 year old boy three times, make him take the rape machine for about 3 hours, if he lives, set him free.

    I also believe that if you murder an innocent individual, and I stress, if you murder an innocent individual, you should also have your life taken.

    I for one do not believe in any sins, sins contradict each other, for example, in the Old Testament, one of the Commandments is Thoa Shall Not Kill, yet Holy War is okay, the bible is a book, get that through your head, I'm a fan of fiction myself, a friend of mine is a big fan of the Hitchhikers's Guide To The Galaxy books, he actually admits he could forsee such a future. The Bible IS false hope, because it's just as realistic as the Star Wars movies, there's many people who have had " experiences " with God, possibly while high, you're not special.
     
  6. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Dude, you're preaching the word of Christ on a forum, first off, second, what are you trying to prove? You can go ahead and keep lying to yourself, but I'm sure few of us are interested, it's Christian Fanatics like you that get people on my back whenever I go against something like Abortion.
     
  7. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    You're going to die, we all are, we live one life, I think everyone should have that chance.
     
  8. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I don't know if there are millions nor can I see into their hearts. But I know Jesus Christ personally because of His dealings with me.
    For some He is just a historical figure, but for me, He is alive. And He is alive not just because of His Book. I could tell you so many stories about God and Myself.
    While some people look up into the sky and wonder, I have experienced His power and love first hand. And not because I'm so good far from it, but because I believe.
     
  9. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Okay, have you seen the film 21 Grams? You're just like that ex-con preacher, who ends up killing 2 girls and their father. If you haven't seen that movie, watch it. Stop preaching, you don't have to get religion involved in a matter like Abortion. If you can't stop, get the hell out.
     
  10. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Oh, please do. [​IMG]
     
  11. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    If all I was doing was lying to myself I would of given this up long ago. I know who Jesus Christ is, He has taken me to the very approches of heaven. This is not a lie. It is the truth. I have seen His power. He is a God of Wonder, who is coming back again. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident. If you want to see Gods plan for the Jews and the World, then read Ezekiel chapters 37,38, and 39.
     
  12. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Do you also believe that Jews are the chosen people? Do you? Do you also believe that if you're a follower of God and his teachings that when you die you'll be rewarded with an eternity of bliss? Do you?


    Well, good for you.
     
  13. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about the man Jesus Christ. And you base your faith, or non faith on a hollywood movie? It was Jesus Christ who tells us that no murder will enter the Kingdom of God. And since I know Him as a real person, and have experienced Him, how could I even think of hiding that truth from anyone.
     
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    campbell34 Banned

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    I believe God choose the Jews because He knew they would preserve the Bible that we have today, and I believe anyone who has Christ in their heart and loves Him, will live with Him for eternity. When my father died, God allowed me to be with him a month later. I told my father we could spend the day together, but my dad turned to me and said I can't, I can't Tom. I'm walking with Jesus now. I saw my dad run off and dissapear into a cloud. And if you were to go to my dads grave site today, on his tomb you would find the words. "I'm walking with Jesus now" The more you get to know who Jesus is, the more you want to know Him. I'm 56 years old now, and I gave my life to Christ when I was 11. And I would do it all over again, because He is the real God.
     
  15. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    Well the problem with Captol punishment is often they will put a man to death who did not commit the crime, which is a big problem.
    Also the Bible states there is a difference between murder and killing.
    And if the Bible is just a Book of mens experiences, how is it that these men could speak of the future with 100% accuracy.
    I would not know about having an experience with God while I was high, I myself have never taken drugs.
     
  16. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Well, if you want the truth your dad is most likely rotting in the ground, and my grandfather is just a pile of ashes. Since it says on your father's grave he's walking with Jesus it's only natural you would have a dream about it.
     
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    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    If you so blindfully wish to believe that I ever even suggested that, just as you so blindfully believe in the bible, be my guest.
     
  18. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    I'm sorry I've heard that far too often from druggies in denial.
     
  19. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    Jesus is sometimes more obvious than dreams. Once I failed a job interview and returned home kind of dragging my feet. When I entered my home I just decided to go upstairs and go to bed. When I got about half way up the stairs I heard a voice and it said. "Tom you did everything but pray about getting a job" The voice really took me by surprise, yet I did not focus so much on the voice as much as I did on what it said. So I continued up the stairs and walked into my mothers bedroom. I then kneeled down by the side of the bed and said this short prayer. Jesus, you say you know how many hairs are on a mans head, and you know of every bird that falls from the sky. Jesus, if that is true, then you must know that I really need a job right now. And Jesus, if you are who you say you are then Jesus what ever happens now will be because of you. So Jesus, I'm asking you to help me get a job, Amen. As soon as I said the A of Amen the phone next to me began to ring. When I picked up the phone the man on the other end ask if my name was Tom Campbell. I said it was. He said that he just happened to pick up a paper I had left on his desk two weeks before, and was wondering if I could start work monday morning at 8 A.M.. I could hardly speak, but i was there monday morning and worked at that place for over a year. I was able to make enought money to buy a car, and to put myself through a school I wanted to attend. Just one small example of God working in my life.
     
  20. campbell34

    campbell34 Banned

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    I have never been a smoker, and drugs are fine if you are sick, but I never could see why anyone wanted to get high. I spent most of my youth lifting weights, reading the Bible, scuba diving, and working on cars. Drugs seemed like a total waste of time to me, and found it always amazing how many people wasted their time doing them. Why anyone would want to put that crap in their body is beyond me. Even now at the age of 56, I love looking for shipwrecks, and the strongest drug I would take is extra strength Tylenol. And that about somes up my drug experience.
     
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