Abortion

Yeah no sht.

 

Do you believe in the tooth fairy also? How about the easter bunny? Maybe Santa is actually squeezing his fat ass down your chimney also, huh?

 

The problem here is that you can not discuss this objectively without letting your PERSONAL RELIGUS CONVICTIONS interfere. You are most welcome to belive whatever you like. But your convictions are not by any means UNIVERSAL belifes. We are not all obligated to sanction other peoples rights according to your value system.

Believe whatever you will that is your absolute right, but just look at the poll results and you'll see we are not all followers of your beliefs.

The sole purpose for the origination of this thread by Maxximus was to grandstand, or troll for arguments that there is no winner to.

I think this thread has run it's course...

 

No I dont believe in the tooth fairy, but I do believe when the Bible tells us the Jews will return to Israel in the later days and take Jerusalem by force. I believe the Bible when it tells us Jerusalems East Gate will remained sealed until God returns to open it. As it is today. And twice the Moslems tried to open it to destroy the prophecy and failed. I do believe God when He tells us that man would destroy himself it it were not for His return. I do believe the Bible when it tells us that when the Jews would return they would take southern Israel first and then Jerusalem second. I do believe the Bible when it speaks about an astroied that would strike the earth and sink a third of the ships in the sea. And the Bible tells us this, over a thousand years before humans knew astroids even existed. The Bible tells us many things, which can be demonstrated to be true.
I always consider the facts, perhaps you should consider them to.

 

Well according to the Bible, God took a poll to. It was Just before the flood. And out of the whole world only nine people believed in God. After everything was said and done, only nine people survived. That goes to show you, God's not impressed with polls. And the Bible tells us most of the world will not follow after the truth. So it would only stand to reason that your poll would be accurate to the point, that it agrees and fulfills the truth of the Bible.

 

Yes, it is, it's allowed in all stages in several countries such as Canada.

 

That's your choice, I choose to believe in no religion, I do believe in a God, but I believe he doesn't care at all about us, when there's billions of other planets with life on them in the Universe. Okay, we live and we die, that's it, religion offers false hope, and that's fine, it's your choice.

 

CHOICE! YAY!
We live, we die, big deal. Abortion. Big deal.

 

Taking a life is never an easy choice for a mother. I wish the males that seem to propel the anti abortion movement would someday understand that. Women have experienced the life growing within them. Men will never totally understand that. The decision to end that life, I don't think is ever made easily. Sometimes it's made because of economic reasons, sometimes health or pyschological. But it's never an easy decision, and it's always one that a woman will live with for the rest of her life.

A man spreads his "wild oats" it's societally expected, but he is rarely held truly accountable. And how many males are even relatively aware of how many potential lives they may have created?

 

The problem here, is that you claim to know why we are here. I could read a book about it and claim to know as well, but understand that it's just a book man.

You seem to have misinterpreted my message (imagine that). All I was saying is life is not a miracle. If you look around you will find yourself surrounded by life, and death as well. It really is a 'circle of life.' Life feeds on life. Everything you eat was once alive, and you could not survive without taking it's life.

 

Actually, ALL life is a miracle. Maybe that's just a different choice of words than you would use. That includes trees, grass, cows, ALL means ALL. I do have a hard time looking at it as if it is just a coincidence, or a mistake, or a fluke. Think of how hard it would be to take a jar full of tiny pieces of paper, shake it up and pour it out and have it make a picture. Won't work. The odds just aren't there. So life would have to be either a total multi-quadzillion to one accident, or a miracle.....

But we as humans really put too much importance upon ourselves. We are just here, like everything else, and really make no sense in the greater scheme of things. We are the least able to take care of ourselves in a natural state, and our mere existance is an enigma. So all these strong opinions about the sanctity of human life, and especially the sanctity of the unborn and unknown as opposed to the already existing, is really similar to superstition. Humans are a very superstitious lot, what with all the various "beliefs" and ceremonies and religions and such. And being a superstitious bunch, we tend to get caught up in our beliefs a bit too much to look at realities.

We are ALL special in our own ways, yet we are really not special at all. It matters not what you or I or anyone else "believe". Not really.

Being humans, we have feelings. Usually they come from this superstitious place. I think that it might have been you who said that birth and sex is no different than eating and taking a shit. Well, yes, I agree in a rational way, but not in a feeling way. I've had 4 of my own kids, and attended a few births. There is a very high and "spiritual" feeling that comes at such times that cannot be accurately described to someone who has never witnessed these things. Certainly much more fulfilling and life altering than a good dump. And the sex part. Well, I have found that sex for sex's sake is not at all what it's cracked up to be. I firmly believe that sex reacts with the human mind in such a way as to, in the normal state, create and strengthen bonds between individuals. Superstition again. When sex is not used in the fashion for which it was naturally made, a person tends to slowly become cold emotionally/spiritually, which makes it's usefullness seem much less. Just a way to get yer rocks off and have fun... But not really very enriching.

Well, we can't escape the superstition part no matter what we do unless we become pretty unfeeling individuals, and some folks see things one way and some see them a different way, but REALITIES remain constant. And realities are that we are actually pretty useless critters, with alot of insecurities and fears, and strange belief systems. And it does not matter one whit what we do as long as we are not intentionally harming another thinking, feeling, superstitious human in the process. Live and let live. The OPINIONS about abortion are nothing more than that. No more or less than opinions about religion, or ghosts, or how the weather is going to be next year. I might feel differently if that partially formed unborn baby could look at me and tell me that it made a difference to them if they were born or not or that they were scared of death. But they can't. They don't comprehend the fear of death or the unknown, because they don't even know what it is yet. So, it just boils down to feelings and superstition, and maybe's and what-if's. Means nothing.
Peace

 

i just want to share something:
there once was a girl who had sex with 'some guy' and eventually she was pregnant. she was going to get an abortion, her mother even suggested it, but for some reason she decided against it. she finally had a little girl. that little girl grew up to be a wonderful, warm, kind person. she grew up and became my best friend, beyond my best friend. my soul mate (in the non-"lovers" sort of way, in a plutonic sense) i have never met another person as beutiful as her. i have never ever heard her say an ill word against anyone, even to those who have wronged her. and it gets to me every time i think about how close she was to not existing, it makes me cry.
so yes, i think abortion should be as illegal as murdering an innocent girl.

 

And if she were never born in the first place, then you never would have known her to begin with, nor had the experience of loving her, therefore you would not have anything to be sad about because she would never have existed in your world in the first place. Sure, if you lost her now it would be a horrible thing, but you can't lose something you never had. Sorry for being blunt, but that's a ridiculous arguement.

 

Well I have made my choice about Christ because He is more that just another religion. He actually speaks to me from time to time, and I have found Him to be both a poweful and loving God. Christ has demonstrated that He is not a false hope, and I have seen His power demonstrated all of my life. What is sad to me is to see people form beliefs about God, based on nothing.

 

Its obvious that you missed the whole point. All you can see is a woman right to murder. The fact is every childs life has great value, yet it appears the only life you value is your own. There is a day coming when we will all stand before a living God, and when that day comes you will have to explain how important your life is, and the millions that have been murdered by abortion were not. And then tell God it was your right to murder these children, and then tell Him, your ready for your eternal reward.

 

Great post lucyinthesky16, wish there were others who had your compassion.

 

Murder is never easy. And I dont have to be a female to understand that. Im 56 and I can tell you I have two children. And I followed the Scriptures all of my life, and that is why I dont have to worry about having any kids anywhere else out there. When you are talking about a human life outside of a womans health, murder should never be the answer. The problem is most of the population have removed themselves so far from God, that murder is nolonger a big thing to them anymore.

 

agreed.

 

Campbell34 where do you stand on war and capital punishment?

 

Trouble is when you start preaching fundamental christianity at folks, it turns most of them off. The term "religious fruitloop" comes to mind. The majority of folks don't get so obsessed with god and eternal rewards and such. That's all part of human superstition. It's all we can do to live in the here and now, let alone worry about one form of belief of an entity who we may or may not actually know all that much about. Realities are that the way we live is directly related to the way life treats us. If I had an abortion, then I have to deal with it on an emotional level. Maybe I can learn to deal with it, or maybe it bothers me for the rest of my life. That's my "reward". I am totally unconcerned about what "God" thinks about what I may have done at some point in my life, because if I have a conscience, then I am the one who will judge myself, and if I am a good person, then I'm sure that is not lost on your "god". We are ALL "sinners", every single one of us, including you. Surely you can not say that you have NEVER done anything that your brand of religion would consider a sin. I don't believe there are too many saints in this world. Everyone has their own concept of "god", and expecting all folks to see it your way or even take you seriously is just unrealistic.