ABORTION....?! yay or nay?!!

I'm pro choice(99% of the time anyways), but i cant help but see the glaring hypocracy in it.

pro choice argument: women are responsible for their bodies and should have sole control over their bodies.

If we take this maxim to be true, why can a man be legally responsible for child support? It is a woman's body and her own responsibility if she gets pregnant(outside of rape, and all the other stuff). If a man is responsible for getting a woman pregnant, shouldnt he have a say in the abortion? This cant be reconciled.

Now, i think ANY guy who doesn't help pay for the kid is a piece of shit, but why should a man be held legally responsible when it is the female who is supposed to be in control of her body? He is, of course, morally responsible. This is probably one of those instances that the greater crime would be a poor kid who has to do without essentials than the loss of freedom for the male.

 

yay. God is strong enough to make whoevers meant to be on this planet be here, no matter what. I do not believe young girls, women, fathers, families should suffer. I also believe its wrong to bring an unwanted child into this world. Bringing up a child should be the biggest, most important and time consuming thing you ever do in your life...not unwanted evidence of a mistake.

I do however think that perhaps they should lower the amount of weeks pregnant a woman can be before she can abort. Half-developed babies being taken away sickens me a little. And theres no excuse for that. You either know you want to dedicate the next 20 years of your life to another person or you dont.

Xx

 

RE: I do however think that perhaps they should lower the amount of weeks pregnant a woman can be before she can abort.

What happens if they do that, miracle, is that the people who want women not to abort will simply delay their ability to get one, which will make outlawing them moot.

 

Wouldnt they be able to do that now? I wasnt talking about a huge decrease...even just a few weeks would help.

 

In Canada, it used to be that if you were pregnant past a certain number of weeks you could not have it taken care of surgically.

What changed that: some dude chained his girlfriend to the wall and raped her. She escaped. He knew she'd try and abort his kid, so he actually took her to court and sought an injunction against her "killing his baby" - he was offering to take it, look after it, adopt it, she wouldn't have to deal with it in any way.

The Usual Suspects supported this cretin and then when it looked like they'd run out the clock on her getting the abortion, he said it was her problem.

She fled across the border and aborted in the US.

The whole mess changed the laws in Canada.

 

Only like 1% of abortions are late term and usually for health reasons. Most abortions are done first trimester. 90% are done in the first trimester, second trimester 9%.

Pro-lifers would have you think doctors are chopping up full-fledged fetuses as big as your hand every time an abortion is preformed. In actuallity, it is very, very rare that an abortion is preformed during that stage - and like I said, usually for health reasons, which many pro-lifers agree with anyways.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_late.htm

 

technically as soon as they combine it is the organism it is when it is born....

not quite as pretty, but more or less in a biological sense it is a child

 

you could decide not to have sex in the first place (see stipulations to this comment in my first post in this thread wherever the hell it is)

 

Well i always thought the law was that after 24 weeks it is illegal? This is what i was a little uncomfortable about. I was thinking perhaps 20 weeks would be more...appropriate. I realise not many babies are actually aborted at 24 weeks, but the law should be changed purely for the sake of decency, in my opinion. Im totally for abortion...but i like to keep respectable. 24 weeks is hideous, and unnecessary. How many cases do you hear of like the one you mentioned? I mean, poor woman...but im hoping that was a one-off.

Xx

 

I imagine that most women who have abortions, do it as quickly as possible. Why on earth would someone wait until they are nearly to term?!? They don't.


All of the women that I know that have aborted, did so immediately.

 

Yep, that i know. But i still say havin the law like that is obscene.

Xx

 

I really think that it should be left up to the woman in question. There are certain situations (rape, REALLY unplanned pregnancy where they dont have money to even raise a child, etc) where i think abortion is the right if not only choice. And some women/girls just aren't ready to be a mother or seriously have never had the urge to be one. I dont think I would personally ever get an abortion unless there was an extreme situation like one of those I listed before, but I would never look down on or think any less of a woman who did get an abortion. It should definitly be an option.

 

I didnt have money to raise my son so I killed the little fucker........

fuck no if a chick dosent want to be a mother she should keep her fuckin pants on... SHIT

as for rape...
well that sucks major balls but abortion is still fucked up.....
give the kid away dont kill it....
its her fault for sitting there and taking it anyway id rather die then get raped... i would fight until the bastard killed me.... but it may be diffrent for chicks i dont know.

If a girl i got pregnant ever had an abortion
her body would never be found.

 

so we give a woman "the right to choose"


but we ignore that she had the right and ability to choose whether or not to have sex


oh wait, are y'all telling me that women are unable to choose abstinence? that that choice doesn't even occur to them? or that they're too weak willed to make that choice?


because damn, that sure as fuck how it sounds


"I couldn't keep my legs closed, so I have to kill my kid now"








and that was my contrasted frustrated break from normalcy to at least attempt to shake you from your apathy or at least blind following of the same stupid paths....

 

Don't flip out on me, man. -_-;;

The starter of the thread asked the Christians to explain WHY they think it's wrong. So I answered.

I never mentioned anything about politics...don't know where that came from...

 

yea dont flip out on her man you fucking asshole

fuck I hate this time of year

 

I've never seen what the issue was, if people think it's wrong then don't have one, but ffs let people have one if they want!

And the arguement about killing a child, hell if that's what you wanna call it then call it that, I don't mind killing a child in that stage. Humans are just disposable anyways...
Rather a dead child than an unwanted child.

 

In different types of situations abortation is all ok for me. Couse as you are youngster, then it is not really good idea to lock yourself with a kid (teenagers, students). People must develope - this is my moto, so this is why people must study and get better all the time in any situation, as you drp yer school (highschool) couse of children, i think it locks the doors from yer bright future.
As you ar raped, and you get pregnant from it, then Of course woman are not interested in giving birth (emotionally really fustrating + you might hate your child, and so on, many problems and if you think about it, you will figure it all out)
In case of disability - as doctors find out that baby might have something, better to do abortion, than give birth as you later on see, how your child is suffering.
If you people (christians) think that making abortion is bad and killing human being, then guess again, is cellula really living thing? if you lose your arm, or fall on yer knees (hurt yerself), make blowjob and let the sperms into yer towel.. then tell me shouldnt we call it abortion as well?
So anyway the point is that if im not feeling ready to give birth, then it is better for the child not be borned, than suffering with me, right?
I guess it means Yay

 

EXACTLY.

 

Excuse me? Did you say that if a woman gets raped, it's her fault?!? WTF? What about the guy that assaults her?