ABORTION....?! yay or nay?!!

Discussion in 'Women's Forum' started by Keramptha, Nov 1, 2005.

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  1. TooMuchTheMagicBus

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    pro-choice. the option needs to be there for women who wish to go down that path. I mean, I see the side of you know, intervening in nature and meddling with life' and whatnot but if i ask myself what i would do if i were to become pregnant right now, i think that i would definitely go for an abortion. so im not going to be against it when it is what i would do. plus in "the land of the free" where we are entitled to "separation of church and state" and "liberty" i think that it is unconstitutional to take away the woman's right to choose.
     
  2. wrstlergrlx

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    I chose not to take a stand on it , I think that all women should have the choice to have an abortion or not. Every women is differant, if they chose to have an abortion they should be allowed to have one, and if they are against abortions then obviously they wont get one.
     
  3. AcousticPeace

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    I am Pro-choice.
     
  4. EwokUtopia

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    This issue is tricky, and it can either be a human rights issue or a womens rights issue.
    There are basically two school's of thoughts on this issue, and those are that an unborn person is still a person and it is a human rights issue (thus abortion is murder), or conversely, that a fetus is not a human, and it is a womens rights issue. everybody who thinks a fetus is a person should oppose abortion just as much as any other type of murder, and most people that think a fetus is not a person will support abortion because it is a womans choice. Unfortunately, it is not a scientific question of whether or not a fetus is a person, but rather a philosophical and legal one, as we have created the definition of personhood that elevates humanity above all other life (and thus you kill a person, its murder, you kill a chimpanzee, its animal abuse, which is far less serious, legally).




    My thoughts are that from conception, the zygote is the dough to the proverbial pizza that is personhood, and it becomes more and more a person until it develops its brain and heart, at which point it is equal to any person (and far superior to many in the US government). thus, even from the begining, abortion is a waste, and should be avoided at all costs. However, if there are extreme circumstances that produce a scenario that if it was illegal, the would-be mother would get and illegal (and unsafe) abortion, it must be condoned, but also must be carried out at the earliest stages of life (whether or not it is a person, it is alive, and life is to be respected). such extreme scenarios account for a small part of contemperary abortions. the problem with abortion laws as they are, is that they make it convenient, and a matter to be taken lightly, which it is not. We should not strive for a society where abortion is readily available, rather we should strive for a society where abortion is obsolete. I mean by this that we should fix all the problems that lead to abortion, namely poverty and our ungodly obsession with having a career.

    But those are just my thoughts, if you disagree, please then, speak your mind.
     
  5. EwokUtopia

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    I am neither pro-choice or pro-life as I am neither left or right. I am just me, and my opinions are my own, they are not tied to anybody else's idealogy, and so far as i know, nobody else shares them. Thats the way i would like to keep it.
     
  6. Trickster

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    The issue is only tricky when other people stick their noses in. For some, the decision is quite clear. I know it's not going to happen, but people should let those in the situation deal with it and decide what course they take and if it becomes "tricky". Others just make it more difficult and that's the last thing that's needed.



     
  7. akdjfaskdfjasdjflkdj

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    I think religion is a huge factor in peoples decisions, and if you are religious, most can agree that life is the greatest gift from God. How do you think God feels about the tens of millions of abortions that have happened. God gives the gift of life and you abort it. I personally do not think abortion is right and if somebody gets pregnant accidentally with somebody they do not want to have a kid with than that is just proof of the reason why you should either wait until you're married to have sex or do not have sex with somebody unless you love them and are willing to have a child with them. Just my opinion.
     
  8. EwokUtopia

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    I respect that. I myself am not religious in the traditional sense. that is to say, i make my own religious beliefs, drawing from various different religious movements, and a few ideas of my own. I call it devout agnosticism. right now, I am drawing alot of my beliefs from Hinduism and Buddhism, which leads me to believe that abortion just causes a hastle for kids. I mean, theyll be reincarnated as another fetus, but Im sure its muay confusing. Probably the reason so many people have identity crisis'. Tehn again, and this will sound very strange, but its true, one major reason for my skepticism of abortion is that I can remember life as a fetus. It is very dreamlike, kind of like being so high you cant talk and are not sure of your surroundings, but its total good vibes. I cant remember it like I remember yesterday, but it does come back to me in dreams and during massive drug trips, and im certain that it isnt just that, because when the dream or trip is over, I am left with the memory. If anyone can remember what it was like before they learned to talk (few can, but some) they will know how great it felt. being a fetus was like that, but better because it was just constant growth and comfort. ahhh......it was so much better then, being a fetus was the greatest chill ever.
     
  9. Myranya

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    What about people who don't want children, ever, even if they are married? Should they remain a virgin all their lives?
     
  10. geoffrey

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    Screwing should be fun,hey?Then take contraception.then theres no problem.If u like the bloke u r with then if he agrees that u need a kid.THEN DO IT.
    Stuff the other shit.Right or Wrong.U r Here for one thing=create an offspring.So your genes live on.Fuck the arseholes that have political correctest shit.They need their heads read for sure.
     
  11. EwokUtopia

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    people are letting religion and science get to their heads, as well as their own sense of superiority. we are animals, and we should veiw ourselves as such. do deer have fun when they have sex? probably. why is sex fun? its our biological instincts that give us the urge, and the pleasure in sex, because the point of it is to not go extinct. dont misconstrue what i am saying, i believe homosexuals, those who dont want children, and those who cant have them due to biological reasons, have every right to practise their physical forms of love as those who want to have children do. what i do not like is how pregnancy is being seen as some kind of STD. This is nobodies fault but society.....the society we live in makes pregnancy a fatal inconvenience. we are born, we go to school, we work, we die. they dont leave much room for childbirth anymore. we are not living like people, but like machines. as for marriage? it doesnt really exist, some people who get married were bonded long before they said trivial vows, and many people who get married never achieve that bond. but for sex, people must realize that it has consequences, like pregnancy. be it a positive or negative consequence, it is a possibility and people should be prepared for it when it happens. that being said, personally, i would brave even AIDS for love, i would rather have my life ruined by the consequences of love (Pregnancy in this society, AIDS, various other STDs) than never live due to lack of love. If I father a child, even though I am still very young, I wouldnt see it as ruining my life, but rather as a part of my life....the central part indeed, and I would put everything on hold, and risk everything else for the happiness of my child and its mother. I would not resort to abortion, as it should be a last resort. I respect everybodies opinions here, no matter how much I may or may not agree, and the only thing I ask is that this doesnt degrate to a match of insults, as this debate so often does.
     
  12. Trickster

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    It's the choice of two people, maybe one depending on the situation. All other opinions have no weight.
     
  13. Jedi

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    Nay:

    No Abortion YAY


    My mother was not planning to give birth to me when she got married , if she aborted me while I was in her womb, I wouldn't be chatting here right now, now would I?
     
  14. sugarmagnolia590

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    I dont think that i would ever get an abortion because i would be killing a living person but i do not judge anyone that would because everyone has there own choices/reasons for doing something like that, but if it ever came to me being pregnate i would deffinitly keep it
     
  15. camper

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    Do you grant absolutions for those who chose wrong?
     
  16. mushie18

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    How does god feel about the millions of kids that are starving to death, kids that have to live their lives in extreme poverty, the kids who live in iraq and witness their family/relatives being killed, the kids who die from aids/cancer, etc.

    weak argument.
     
  17. Trickster

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    Obviously not. What's you point? If you weren't here, you wouldn't know what you missed out on and neither would your parents. It's a person's choice. That's everybody's right!
     
  18. mushie18

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    One way of looking at it. One of my friends mothers had an abortion while she was in college. Had she not had an abortion, more than likely, my friend would not be alive.
     
  19. sugarmagnolia590

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    depending on the situation could make the abortion right or wrong



    ex: do you think it would be wrong for a someone to get an abortion if they were raped?


    ex: do you think it would be right for someone to get an abortion just because they decided to have unprotected sex?
     
  20. Trickster

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    Regardless of whether you think it's right or wrong, it's their decision and not yours so it doesn't much matter.
     
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