Kandahar reply on the 12th October 2004 was – "That's what the abortion issue is all about, is it not? If I can convince some anti-abortionists that a fetus is not human, then the rest is a moot point because there is no other reason to guarantee a fetus the right to life." And my answer of the 18th October 2004 was – Sorry Kandahar To me your argument is a cul de sac, it goes nowhere since it isn’t about seeking understanding or helping people. It seems to be taking a complex issue and trying to reduce it to a simple yes or no answer, either it is human and abortion is wrong or it isn’t and abortion is right. To me that is just simplistic and stupid, it misses the point. As to invasive abortion being repulsive, it is and anyone that thinks differently should learn more about it. But that question also misses the point. The questions that both the pro’s and anti’s should be asking is why so many women are wanting to have an abortion and why the US seems to have a greater problem in this area that such countries as the Netherlands, Germany, France and even Britain? I fear that Americans have lost sight of these questions in a desire to score points over one another. What upsets me the most in dealing with this important and sensitive issue is that some people seem to be trying to hijack it to push a religiously based moralistic agenda that seems to have little or nothing to do with understanding or helping people and seems to me to be just about a grab for power. And that a number of cynically motivated mainly right wing politicians have jumped on that bandwagon in the hope of power and furthering their views that are more likely to worsen the situation rather than truly seeking real improvement. **
Balbus - Since most people agree that murder for the sake of personal gain is a bad thing, it really just boils down to whether or not the fetus is alive. Since I don't think anyone would argue that you have the right to choose the murder of an adult human being, the only difference with the fetus is the ambiguity on whether or not its alive. The way I see it, the philosophical debate on whether or not the fetus is self-conscious and "human" in the daily sense of the word is the only important issue here.