Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

Agreed, and not to be taken lightly. Proponents should support it as a very last resort.

 

In society, no. In some liberal families, yes.

Two of my oldest friends have daughters. They were taught from a young age relevant facts about safe sex, risks, medical consequences, etc. But they were also taught that if all else failed, they would be expected to do whatever was necessary to complete their education before becoming a mother. That included abortion.

No matter how you spin this, you can't make me agree. For someone who believes human life begins at birth, why would I have such reservations?

 

Yeah in my humble opinion that parenting style is a step too far.

 

What the fuck do you even THINK you're talking about?

 

Remember that sanity is not simply the exact opposite of the other insane people.

I think there's obviously a blurry line between "life" as we experience it, and simply cell division. it seems pretty immoral to have an excessively late abortion, in fact it seems pretty immoral to wait more than a month or two. I can't respect anyone who decides they'll get to an abortion when they get to it, but I have no problem with someone who jumps to it and, if they are pregnant and do not want to be, has an abortion as soon as they possibly can.,

Obviously if killing a newborn is wrong, it's also wrong to kill a newborn right before it's born..... but there's obviously also a time where it's not a baby in that sense, and if you don't wait until it's starting to develop a consciousness in the sense of a newborn, abortion is not wrong.

Life may begin at fertilization, but that life is obviously much less conscious than a housefly, and thus, doesn't need to be regarded as such, though clearly if that life is to become a child respect must be given to it, as for the mother's lifestyle. There's going to be a gradual slip into consciousness and "life" in the sense that matters. But abortion at the point where the fetus is no more human than a housefly, shouldn't be terribly more tragic than swatting a housefly, even if it is a big decision and should be taken seriously.

Otherwise, let's start regulating flyswatters like guns, and running background checks, and prosecuting the unprovoked swatting of flies.

 

I didn't sleep with my "friends" wife. I didn't even know the guy. She was more of a friend than he was!!

 

Oh get off your high horse!!!

John and Kate support themselves yes.....I don't watch the rubbish so I wouldn't know.

The point is all you ppl who think it is wrong and murder don't think about things after the cells are born.

But my point was is making people have kids not allowing them to abort is wrong. If they are not ready financialy/emotionally and reason to that person is the right reason.

And the gov't does have programs for drugs/booze/gambling etc. but those don't even compare to "life" remeber the thing you didn't want murdered......

Nobody wants to murder it but there are no solutions for those kids who are born unwanted. Let's take care of the people here first

And really who's the unethical one here fucking a married woman.

 

Again with the personal attacks just because we hold a different perspective on this topic. I wish you could discuss this without feeling like we were the ones who put you in the scenario you are in. That's the vibe your giving off.

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There also is nothing wrong with trying to reach out and help struggling families whether that help comes from the government or private sector and charities.

Whether you realize this or not the position you've taken is one of absolutism. You don't acknowledge other people's scenarios that were different from yours where any changes in law would apply.

 

Reading this statement, it sounds like you would cheerlead for abortion at the beginning of every pregnancy until the inpregnated women insisted you could now leave her alone, because she actually wants the baby.

 

Not only that, but human life beginning at birth is just bad science.

 

I'll give you an A+ on creative reading.

 

People like you act like abortion is the ONLY other option. You know how many women are sterile and would LOVE to adopt a child???

The girls family, the guys family; I'm sure someone in the women's life is infact financially and "emotionally" stable enough to raise a kid.
I don't know why you brought up "cells" like that has anything to do with it!?

I do believe women would attempt abortions anyway, therefore, criminalizing it probably wouldn't be the best thing either.

LMFAO- do you really need to know? It's all you braindead Liberals supporting the murder of live infants!!!

Having sex with a married women (who lied to me and told me she was separated from her husband,) does not make me immoral in the least. Their relationship is none of my business, and she told me they were getting a divorce. So I'm not loosing any sleep over it; It's not quite like putting a crying baby in a bucket to die!!!

 

seriously, who does this?

 

Still waiting for the proof of crying babies in buckets.

 

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I don't think anybody who could legitimatly claim to represent the majority of people in favor of abortion rights, would consider saying that it's okay to perform late-term abortions on babies that cry in buckets.

Those are not "abortions", those are "premature births". If someone's leaving them to die in a bucket, they should be held accountable for infanticide.

An abortion is skillful use of a wire-hangar and a wet-dry shop-vac, only fancier and more medical looking.

Though I believe when they abort the anti-christ after bunny (I think it was bunny?) gets knocked up, I do think he does make some noise. But the anti-christ is the exception, not the rule. Although there might be a constitutional argument against allowing the abortion of the anti-christ, under the freedom of religion clause.

 

I agree after a certain point in development, like 6-7 months, I do feel abortion should be taken off the table.


And I think people should adopt more if they are in a position to do so. But let's face it there are a lot of couples out there who want their own biological children, sounds selfish and it probably is, but it is true.

 

Where is the proof of crying babies in buckets???

And if there are sooo many women/families who want to adopt why do they go overseas then to adopt?? Answer me that.

Those ppl who you talk of, who want to adopt where are they? And why do so many people adopt from overseas not in their own country...... last I checked there are still quite a few kids in foster/group homes that never get adopted why is that??

Also people who adopt are picky, they want babies straight from birth with full backround checks of both bio-parents, you wouldn't want to adopt a crack baby and not know right.

You talk about adoption but it is very hard to do with so many kids in the system already who need love, and aren't getting it.

 

This is my source.