Abolishing Life Imprisonment.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jimbee68, May 7, 2024.

  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    “Life imprisonment is a hidden death penalty.”

    -Pope Francis.


    So. As you can tell, this is a human rights issue, at least when it comes to criminal justice, in the rest of the world. It is being discussed in South America. And in Europe too, I think.

    I support this view, that we should abolish life imprisonment. But I am a little confused. What if someone is a danger to society in a way that he or she cannot be rehabilitated? I think then it is treated more as a mental health issue then, isn't it? I know the UK reformed mental health care there with the Mental Health Act 2022.

    I personally think all antisocial behavior is a disease. But I am still confused by what kind of lifelong disorder would be considered justification for putting someone away for life. Some kleptomaniacs will continue stealing for the rest of their lives. But I don't think that counts under things like the Mental Health Act 2022. On the other hand, if their condition makes them steal very expensive items, what then? And what about if their condition makes them use violence too, because they are sexual sadist kleptomaniacs? What if they just threaten violence, but don't use it? In other words where do you draw the line on what is a good reason to put someone away for life?

    Is there a standard for this? Or does it differ from country to country?
     
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  2. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    I think the value of putting someone in jail is that it prevents them from committing other crimes and it servers as a deterrent for others to commit crimes. It also satisfies the victims/ survivors, and deters them from seeking vigilante justice.

    I'm not into throwing someone in jail for no good reason, but I'm also not going to boo-hoo too much over sadistic serial killers having to spend life in jail.
     
  3. M_Ranko

    M_Ranko Straight edge xXx

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    That's exactly why you have the life imprisonment. Because some people simply just need to go away, so that the rest of us could be safe. This should be a no-brainer. If you can't kill them because of some moral qualm, then something else needs to be done to them, because some people, you just can't let them walk free. Discussion forums such as this one have their banning policies for this reason. Because with some people, reason simply doesn't work and never will, and they need to go away to end their terror.
     
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  4. Native Vee

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    Some people cannot stop the evil they are doing.... Putting them im a place like this ensures they wont hurt anyone else...
     
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  5. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    I think we should use the death penalty a lot more!
    Why should I pay taxes to feed, cloth and house you forever? You evil ass is not my responsibility!
     
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  6. Native Vee

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    Trouble with death penalty is they might not be 100% right!!!!!

    On cases that ARE 100%,yes they should.... They killed someone so why shouldnt they be??
     
  7. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    So what’s the difference between that and life? If they were wrong you’re still in prison for life.
     
  8. granite45

    granite45 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The death penalty is not reversible when it’s carried out…..but there are hundreds of cases of wrongful convictions. So do we then charge the prosecutor and jury with murder if a wrongfully convicted person is executed? I’m not convinced that the criminal justice system is infallible and not full of holes in the real world. The fact that T is not in prison right now is an ongoing indicator that our justice system can be perverted.
     
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  9. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    I have the perfect solution to prevent the poor serial killers from becoming lonely.
    Put them all together in one big cell.
    I would certainly reduce the number of people wanting to come and join the party. :D
     
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  10. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    Robert Heinlein wrote a great story about how such a situation could go wrong, read 'Revolt in 2100' which was expanded from a short story he wrote called "Coventry."
     
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  11. TheGreatShoeScam

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    We should start with abolishing that torture of solitary confinement. Saw that documentary about solitary confinement in the US and its just evil.

    Even those cases where someone is so messed up I guess impulse control brain defect that they attack other people they could still be around others if separated by a fence or something but to just be entombed in an evil hellhole labeled administrative segregation to go crazy for years its just evil.

    The life thing for murder I don't know the person murdered got life too and its impossible to rehab them.
     
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  12. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Sure. The person that rapes and / or kills a 5 year old or impregnates a 10 year old ( as happened) should be let out later. Why, it's just so cruel to keep them in prison. I'm sure they will become productive members of society. FUCKIN' HELL!!:mad:
     
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  13. Bjgirl

    Bjgirl I’m just having fun!

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    How about all the Jeffrey Dahmer types in one cell? That would be messy Lol
     
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  14. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    Those guys should be kept in solitary confinement, with only one visit a month. Visits should be confined to the victims families, who being law abiding citizens would not need to be searched in case they brought some pruning shears with them.....Ouch....:D
     
  15. princess peedge

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    I disagree and would happily take life in prison over being put to death. People in prison get to lead productive-ish lives with things like work, higher education, and religious and support groups.

    I will never support the death penalty, as our justice system is fallible and innocent people have been executed. While life in prison for the innocent is still a horrible life, I'm sure it beats being put to death.

    What else can we do? Slap on the wrist for everything in case an innocent person is convicted? I don't know that that's reality, and executing everyone because the jury said so is downright insanity. But abolishing the death penalty in lieu of true life in prison makes sense as at least a starting point.
     

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