A well thought-out argument against anti-evolutionists

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by deadhead716, Mar 27, 2005.

  1. PhantomOpus

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    Well, no, actually, if you examine the fossil record and the history of the species on Earth, you will see that whales are actually descended from land animals, not the other way around. But they didn't just suddenly sprout legs - it's a process that takes many generations.

    Every fossil demonstrates evolution. All you have to do is look at them as a whole and place them in context.
     
  2. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    YOU DONT FREAKING NEED FOSSILS...LOOK AT INFLUENZA!!!!! gosh, how many times... :p
     
  3. campbell34

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    EVERY FOSSIL DEMONSTRATES EVOLUTION? REALLY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THEM? COULD YOU SHOW ME A PICTURE OF THEM. AND COULD YOU SHOW ME A PICTURE OF THEM, CLEARLY DEMONSTRATING EVOLUTION. BECAUSE MOST EVOLUTIONIST WILL TELL YOU, THEY CAN'T FIND THEM. THEY WILL BE SO HAPPY TO LEARN, THAT YOU HAVE THE PICTURES.

    Whales in the fossil record? Could you show me where the information on whales in the fossil record would be found?
     
  4. campbell34

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    There is a story in the Bible which talks about the Children of Israel fleeing Egypt. Many said it was just a make believe story with no truth to it. However, not many years ago an American and his son discovered a downed piller which indicated the spot where the crossing took place. Since then, divers went down an have discovered some of the remains of Pharaoh's army. Also extra Biblical writings carved in ancient stone read, "The wind blowing, the sea dividing into parts, they pass over"
    "The Hebrews flee through the sea; the sea is turned into dry land."
    " The waters permitted and dismissed to flow, burst rushing unawares upon the astonished men, congregated from quarters banded together to slay treacherously being the midst of the waters."

    There is much more to the writings, and evidence, but you get the idea.
    http://www.bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm
     
  5. PhantomOpus

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    Are you serious? Not only have I already posted several links to information on whales in the fossil record, YOU posted a link to whales in the fossil record. The level of mental incompetence you are displaying is staggering.

    Furthermore, your claims about "most evolutionists" are as unfounded as if I said, "most Christians will tell you that they have never spoken to God." Not only do you not have a leg to stand on, but you're wrong.

    We have shown you the fossils. The conclusions are obvious. You seem to be asking for a fossil that shows 'evolution in action' as if a) fossils could move and b) evolution occurred within a single individual.

    Let's try a simple exercise:

    Given the following "fossils", tell me what's going on.

    Top layer: T M P W !
    Middle layer: t m p V ;
    Lower layer: + n o v ,
    Bottom layer: - r c \ .

    Now, that only shows lineages...try this:

    Top layer: V ] ! t x # ~
    Middle layer: / ; + =
    Lower layer: , -
    Bottom layer: .

    It's obvious.
     
  6. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

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    WHY go that far look at Michael Jackson he did it in less than 5 years.
     
  7. campbell34

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    I know this may be really hard for you, but let's try again. Lets say you have a Fossil of a bat that those who believe in Evolution may say is 40 million years old. Now, can you show me how that bat may differ from a modern day bat. Now I'm not looking for a fossil that moves, just one that shows how evolution has progressed. Simply look at the fossil, and then look at a modern day bat. Now it does not have to be a bat but perhaps some other species.

    When we consider these profound proclamations by evolutionist we should bear in mind that they were equally conconvinced when they suggested human evolutionary ancestors, such as Ramapithecus, now recognized to be essentially the same as a modern orangutan; Piltdown Man, a fraud that was nothing more than the jawbone of a modern ape and a human skull; Nebraska Man, that turned out to be a pig's tooth; and Neanderthal Man, a supposed primitive subhuman that is now recognized by most paleoanthropologists as fully human, Homo sapiens, who suffered from pathological conditions, such as arthritis and rickets, a vitamin D deficiency. IF EVOLUTIONISTS CAN GET AN EVOLUTIONARY ANCESTOR OF MAN FROM NOTHING MORE THAN A PIG'S TOOTH, IT SHOULD BE NO CHALLENGE TO GET A WHALE FROM A CREATURE THAT WALKED ON LAND.
     
  8. SpliffVortex

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    at the same token we are not buying that the earth and man started 4 thousand years ago either. so we are back to zero.
     
  9. Colours

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    "Well I would say the reason science cannot explain how we got here is because they have been trying to prove a theory that never happened"

    PLEASE, show us concrete evidence that your God created men from dirt, how he "divided" the light from the dark, how he created the sun, the moon, and every star in the universe just to give light to the earth. Unless you can give conrete evidence that your imaginary friend created all of this, then you can never again say scientists cannot prove something.

    by the way, stop talking in caps, it makes you look like a jackass. the fact that you type your redundant remarks in all capitals doesnt make your argument seem any less asinine.
     
  10. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

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    i saw jesus at a rock concert = Honestly
     
  11. Colours

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    the christians will say "yeh right blasphemer", and that is why if jesus ever returns he will be crucified (literally or metaphorically) yet again.
     
  12. campbell34

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    Although each year Influenza is different this of itself does not support evolution. From year to year Influenza continues to remain Influenza. It does not change into pnuemonia, or a cold, or tuberculosis ect. It stays within its own kind no matter how many mutations it sustains. It does not evolve into anything other than what it is.
     
  13. campbell34

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    The God of the Bible stated that He split the Red Sea and allowed the Jews to pass over the water on dry ground. The Egypitan army tried to follow and would of killed all of the Jews but God allowed the water to close over the army and destroyed them all. They have discovered that spot and have found remains of that army. No one who opposes the Bible wants to believe that, but the story is true, based on a strong field of evidence found above and below the Red Sea. They also have found ancient inscriptions carved in stone which restate the story found in the bible. Many of the claims of the Bible has extra biblical evidence which support it claims. Evolution has only speculation and no fossil record.

    http://www.bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm
     
  14. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

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    eh,i honestly dont care anymore...are people who beleive in evolution going to hell, i think not...this debate is neverending, and at the point going no where fast...its like trying to convince a pro-lifer to be pro-chioce, or a democrat to vote libritarian
     
  15. campbell34

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    When Archaeopterx was alive it was a transitional?

    ARCHAEOPTERX WAS A FAKE TRANSITIONAL.

    http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/archaeopteryx-is-a-fake
     
  16. StonerBill

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    Archaeopteryx-is-a-fake
    From EvoWiki
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    Retrieved from "http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Archaeopteryx-is-a-fake"


    ahahahahahaahahaahahaha

    oh my god do you believe it? i posted again and ignored. hmm
     
  17. StonerBill

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    I think we can settle the trans-species thing pretty quick actually. i mentioned it and other people did to but i think we jsut need to highlight the fact.

    campbell claims that the bird-reptile thing is a bird, and not a reptile at all.

    tell us, campbell, of these birds that you see, with jaws, and teeth. i would very much like to see one.

    when you can show us of these birds with jaws and teeth, then we will concede that Archaeopteryx is a bird. if you cannot show us these birds of yours with jaw and teeth, then how can you claim that any creature with a jaw and teeth is a bird?

    (jaws an teeth as opposd to a beak, if your confused)

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  18. StonerBill

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    can we pause any other little things for a moment till he replies?

    or repost my post haha

    caus if he deines reply then he concedes to teh debate. this way he cant claim to have missed the post of someshit
     
  19. SpliffVortex

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    we have to wait for the year 2525 before christ shows up.
     
  20. SpliffVortex

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    In the year 2525
    If man is still alive.
    If woman can survive, they may find.


    In the year 3535
    Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies.
    Everything you think, do and say, is in the pill you took today.


    In the year 4545
    Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes.
    You won't find a thing to chew.
    Nobody's gonna look at you.


    In the year 5555
    Your arms hanging limp at your sides.
    Your legs got nothing to do.
    Some machine doing that for you.


    In the year 6565
    Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife.
    You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too.
    From the bottom of a long glass tube. Whoa-oh


    In the year 7510
    If God's a-comin, he oughta make it by then.
    Maybe he'll look around himself and say.
    Guess it's time for the judgment day.


    In the year 8510
    God is gonna shake his mighty head.
    He'll either say.I'm pleased where man has been.
    Or tear it down and start again. Whoa-oh


    In the year 9595
    I'm kinda wonderin if man is gonna be alive.
    He's taken everything this old Earth can give.
    And he ain't put back nothing.Whoa-oh



    Now it's been ten thousand years
    Man has cried a billion tears.
    For what he never knew,
    now man's reign is through.


    But through eternal night.
    The twinkling of starlight.
    So very far away.
    Maybe it's only yesterday.


    In the year 2525
    If man is still alive.
    If woman can survive, they may find.


    In the year 3535 {fade}
     

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