A perspective on why man must not sleep with man and why God hates that

Because they exist as homosexuals.

 

That doesn't make sense. You're leaving out so many variables and going directly to the conclusion that just because people engage in homosexual activity than that is definitive proof that God made them that way, while never considering the possibility that they made themselves that way.

I am not even talking about flamboyancy either, because there are plenty of flamboyant men that do not have sex with other men. I only mention that because many confuse flamboyancy with homosexuality and I think that's wrong. And I think that's possibly what many people think of when they say that some people are born gay.

 

What variables can I leave out that God isn't directly responsible for?
God is 100% responsible for all of existence. There is nothing in existence that is not being created by God.

 

Well, the possibility that people deviated from God's healthful teachings and that inevitably lead to the world we have now and the same can be said about diseases and the many, many, philosophies that sprung up from it.

So, if I build a house, that means God built it? If I choose to kill someone, that means God chose it for me?

So, you're saying that God is the puppet master and everything we do is the result of him, meaning we have no free will? Just clarifying.

 

And yet God creates possibilities to follow other than "his teachings".

I'm saying that God is God and God is everything and everything has come out of God. God functions from all standpoints, and you are simply a result of being subjected to all these various perspectives.

 

There is also the possibility of me taking cyanide. I can use my imagination to create all types of possibilities.

True, these possibilities are floating around, waiting us to take up and use for whatever reason we would like to use it. But you can't blame God if you use your imagination and spin it in a way that isn't good for you.

I can see a needle on the ground. And using my imagination, think of sticking the needle into someones arm to hurt them. Why would anyone be tempted to do that? Why would someone feel 'tempted' to do things that are harmful to oneself and others?

There is a breathe taking number of possibilities that we can take up, but we are still choosing how to use these possibilities.

I can be inside a pool with one of those exhaust pipes and decide to stick my pecker in there. Now is that the fault of the one that designed the pool or the one that decided to be a dum dum?

Are you saying that God is the functions of this world and that God himself are bound by the laws of nature?

To me, God is beyond everything. I do believe that everything has come out of God though.

 

You ate what I said, chewed it up, and spit it out. All I was saying is that the spectrum isn't arbitrary. It is the only way to look at data of sexual activity.

If something happens in nature, it is natural. Homosexuality happens in nature, therefore it is natural.

Why are we trying to root out homosexuality in today's culture? It isn't going to take over the world and make our children think dirty thoughts.

I never said genes were not part of the equation. Genes have EVERYTHING to do with the equation. As for greed of others, of course it affects the innocent. Look at the United States today, case in point!

Neither do you, neither does anyone in the world. However, all too often the Christian response to "Why did my son/daughter/significant other have to die in such a manner?" is "It is all part of God's plan."

Why are there mentally retarded? God's plan
Why is there war? God's plan
Why is there blahblahblahblah? God's plan.

The Christian response to "Why do bad things happen in this world?" is "It is all part of God's plan."

Of course, like you said, greed and evil people affect innocents and that is ALL I think it is. Greedy evil people hurting the innocent. It isn't part of a master plan. God has no part in it because there is no plan and there is no god.

Let's define "Sentient" first before we get into this discussion.

The definition from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentient
Sentient-Aware, conscious, has sense perception

Sentience is completely different from reason. Reason is the ability to think logically about something and draw a conclusion. Animals cannot think logically. Animals run on instinct, not reason. Humans run on reason and instinct.

Very impressive, once that dog sits down and ponders the meaning of life with me I'll throw you a bone.

Not at all, the sexual urge is an instict and the sex organisms gravitate towards is part of who they are. Meaning= Not a choice

Animals don't have sex because it gives them pleasure. They have sex because they have a biological imperative to reproduce.


Also, the idea that the Christian god created everything means god created homosexuality. It isn't a construct that humans thought up because they are hedonistic.

 

The pain and suffering caused is argument enough. Why do you need more?

Why do you need an argument to know that genocide is wrong and not just a matter of perception? Why is an argument required in the first place.

 

The bible was written by homophobes that is why "god" discriminates against homosexuals.

Simple as that.

 

http://men.style.com/details/blogs/details/2007/07/is-it-ok-to-dem.html

 

Yes, I do need more, because if either of you had a willingness to examine why and how you make judgements about things, you would understand that there are NO inherent values in anything. You give them value when they pass through the barrier seperating you from the outside world.

So you are stating that the presence of pain and suffering makes something inherently wrong? I guess we should put an end to birth, hunger, and any kind of medical surgery. We should also outlaw cold beverages, since they can cause painful brain freezes and are thus morally wrong.
Pleasure and Pain are nothing more than motivational factors, they have no moralistic "right" or "wrong" to them.

 

Satan and the demons exist but God didn't make them they way they are, they did that all by themselves by using their free will. would you like to try again?

Explain why I think the way I do? Have you really been ignoring every thing I've said? I guess that explains a lot.

 

That sounds more like a plot twist in a cheesy comic book than a philosophical defense. Would you like to try again? iggy:

 

Well I'll give it one last shot.

It is interesting that since you believe that there is no right or wrong, that you wish to try and prove me wrong. According to the way you are suppose to believe I can't be wrong, so you must be wrong.

When you figure that one out I’ll give you another.

 

So how is it justified that homosexuals are bedeviled in christian beliefs again?

 

No, I would not like to try again, because no matter what it sounds like to you, that is the way it is. We are not destined to be anything, we are what we are because of the choices we make. Satan choose to oppose God and thus made himself Satan. A person chooses to murder and thus he becomes a murder, he was not a murderer until he murdered. A child molester is not a child molester until he molests a child. Or do you really believe that no one is responsible for their actions?

 

And people say I'm a nihilist.

 

Bedeviled? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

 

Nice catch, I hadn't thought of the phrase that way.

 

Of course not.