A perspective on why man must not sleep with man and why God hates that

I never said it was about you personally, perhaps that's just the way you perceived it.

As for being about perception in general, if we go by what you've been saying there is no such thing as perception in general because all perception is personal.

 

So you keep saying and may be you would like it to be true but that just isn't the way reality works. Once again, a person can imagine all sort of utopias but that does not make them real or even workable. Your whole imaginary world falls apart over just one word, genocide, any philosophy that allows genocide to be any thing but wrong is, well wrong. As soon as you began saying that there is nothing wrong with it, you should have known that you had made a wrong turn somewhere.

 

Yes, we were.

 

You've made countless remarks and questions to me about how I would perceive things, then extrapolated from that, that I do in fact, perceive lol.

Actually, what I'm saying is that perception is general, and that the subsequent judgements that arise from those perceptions are what is personal.

 

So how does reality work, then?

Genocide actually fits into my philosophy and doesn't make it fall apart at all. You just aren't willing to accept it, because you don't want to let go of your attached "wrong" to genocide. Which is perfectly fine, it's your perception of it, but your personal judgement of what genocide is by no means cripples what I'm trying to say. It really doesn't even dent it.

 

Try reading it once more, I don’t believe that in this thread I ever gave a reason for why I personally find it disgusting, let alone say my reason for feeling that way was because “God says it’s bad”. One wonders why you keep assuming things that were never said or implied.

As for convincing myself that my perception of homosexual PDA is the only accurate one, where do you come up with this stuff? Dismissing any alternate views? Are you on drugs? Where were you when twice, now this time makes three, that in this very thread, I’ve said; that if you had directly asked about it, I would have said that; the disgust I feel about homosexual PDA could very well be just my perception of it.

Another thing I find interesting is at the same time I said almost the same thing about heterosexual PDA but why aren’t you defending it with the same vigor? Why aren’t you telling me that my reason for that is that "God says it's bad"?

 

Because you said "to a lesser extent" and it's obvious that heterosexuals dont' even nearly face the same persecution homosexuals do, nor are the subjected to "God's" cruel joke of creating them AS homosexuals with homosexual desires, but not allowing them to engage in homosexual acts. Gee, what a funny guy.
If you are so willing to admit that your disgust at homosexual PDA may very well be just your perception of it, why do you refuse to make the same admission about genocide?

 

Being heterosexual or homosexual are classifications we have created in our culture.

In nature, hetero/homo relations are all completey natural.

In fact, it is impossible to be completely hetero or completely homo. Think of it as a spectrum of sexual preference.
Hetero.................................... Homo
|------------------------------------|


Most heterosexual people do have homosexual fantasies now and again. People secure with their sexuality understand it as a part of human nature, while those unsecure are bothered by it. Same goes for homosexuals, they have heterosexual fantasies as well.

 

"Hetero.................................... Homo
|------------------------------------|"

That's a classification created by humans.

 

The spectrum is not, the classification at each end is. There are people/animals who prefer different sex relations, we are called heterosexuals. There are people/animals who prefer same sex relations, we call them homosexuals. There are people/animals who have no preference for female/male. We call them bisexual and they fall in the middle of the spectrum.

In nature, the spectrum exists but has no classifications; just preferences.

 

Did God create them as homosexuals? You're assuming that homosexuals didn't come into being through the actions of their ancestors. Same thing can be said about diseases (not saying homosexuality is a disease). It has been shown, depending on the life your grandparents lead, it can actually have an effect on your memories and whether or not you are born with an illness.

People are still debating whether or not homosexuality is biological.

 

In the end, it's still a classification. But you're saying that depending on the sex relation, you can be called a heterosexual bisexual or homosexual... that's going along the lines of your spectrum. Wherever you end up on the spectrum, you will be classified as either a homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. That goes to a lot of trouble in just saying, 'You have sex with both genders, same gender or opposite gender'. So the whole spectrum thing seems pretty arbitrary.

You changed classification to the word preference. Preference sounds like there is a choice given. I prefer chicken instead of beef. I prefer both chicken and beef. We are still choosing our meals. In the end of the person's life, we can gather that a man that ate chicken and beef most of his life would be classified as a beef-chicken eater. Also, this still doesn't prove that it is natural. We may find that eating beef isn't as good for us as eating chicken, so we can choose whether or not we would like to change our diet for our own benefit.

People/animals prefer many things, doesn't mean it's good for them.

 

How does the spectrum seem arbritrary? It is the only way to present data of sexual relations in humans and animals without classifying them. Homosexuals gravitate (Better word?) towards others of the same sex while heterosexuals gravitate towards others of different sex.

As for whether or not it is good for us. While in there a consistent theme of "for the greater good" in nature, there is deviation. That deviation exists because life is so diverse. You do not see animals killing each other because of what sex they've taken a liking towards. You see them killing each other for territory, mates, and food. Why should we act like that deviation should be rooted out?

The whole idea of the Christian god having a master-plan is just an inane way of explaining why bad things happen to good people.

All the proof that I need about whether or not it is biological is in nature. Animals have no reason, they cannot think logically about their decisions and arrive at a conclusion.

Instead, all of their thought processes are all by instict. Instict is an unlearned impulsive behavior

Animals engaging in homosexual relations are doing it by instinct, not by reason. They did not think "Hmm I'm feeling a little homo today, let me have sex with that same-sex animal today"

They probably thought "My brain is telling me to have sex, let me pick the first suitable mate and mate with them." That first suitable mate just happened to be of the same sex, see where I am going with this?

 

Ok, so in the end they will either be classified as being heterosexual, bi-sexual, or homosexual. If a homosexual gravitates towards others of the same sex, then they are homosexuals. In the end, they are still classified according to that spectrum. "Michael seems to have a inclination towards woman, but sometimes has sex with men, but mostly prefers women." Michael still had a history of bisexual behavior. He may stop going with men, but it still shows that Michael was capable of going with a man, making him bisexual. If he stopped going with women, and went exclusively with men, then you can say that Michael is now gay but had an instances of being a heterosexual. When you combine all of this up towards the end of their lives you can say that person was bisexual because Michael still had sex with both genders. Michael was a bisexual because he had sex with both genders.

We're talking about humans. Also, I dunno what this has to do with the topic. Can you explain?

Well, just look at the science behind it what I said. The behaviors of the past has been shown to have an effect on our genes. Also, look into epigenetics. I never said why bad things happen to good people, but you can't deny that the greed of others has an effect on the innocent.

It doesn't seem, by your response, that you understand the plan of God that Christians talk about.

That's a presupposition. You assume that they cannot think logically. You assume that they aren't sentient. Just look at Ravens.

I think that you are over underestimating the abilities of animals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGQ0n0A71xQ

So you're saying that homosexuality is an instinct?

Yes, that homosexuality is an instinct and that we should follow our instincts if it gives us pleasure. Also, you're saying that it is biological because of these feelings, but I am not sure where that comes from. Is it learned or what? And if not learned, can it? Should we engage in every whim that have?

 

It's stongly believed at this point that sexual orientation is a combination of genetic predisposition and the social environment, experiences, and encounters one had growing up.
Either way, I believe in a God that is omnipotent and omniscient, and if someone ends up as a homosexual, regardless through what means, it is my opinion that God indeed created them as a homosexual.
In other words, if you weren't meant to be a homosexual, you wouldn't be.

 

"Creating them AS homosexuals with homosexual desires"? Some kind of proof when you make statements like this would be nice.

Because there is no doubt in my mind that genocide is wrong and in no way is it just a matter of perception.

 

So there is no such thing as free will and everything you do is pre-programed and can't be changed. You're just along for the ride?

 

The proof is that they exist.

Well, I've asked you very directly twice now to at least attempt to explain why you think the way you think, and you've yet to answer and have even completely ignored my questions, so I think it's safe to say that this conversation is at an end.

 

There is no definitive proof for what you suggest. There are many researchers that say the opposite.

How do you know God created them as a homosexual, especially when there is no definitive proof on either side of the argument?

 

Yup.