A Peaceful non-violent society is inevitable

Oh, I see a Liberal/communist Government sympathizer got pumped up and angry enough to dislike my post, but, let's see did anyone even attempted to justify their use of force.

asmodean proved my point by saying he skips paragaphs.


I've explained myself over, and, over to you Liberals, but you don't take a SECOND to read what I wrote, because in your mind, you're justifying any and all Government inhumanity, in the name of the alleged and arguable "Greater Good"

Therefore, it is okay to kill people, take their Rights, including their ability to defend themselves and, steal their property. and I'm the crazy one? Yes, what a logical and sensible society.

 

Why not answer the questions asked? They are on topic and sincere.

Why call us names instead? It makes it look like you care more about being right than conversing about the original point of this thread.

edit: People are disliking your posts because you don't seem to care about your own thread anymore. You seem to care more about getting through to us that you think we are all liberals. This serves no point.

 

Who said this? It seems you are taking things out of context.

 

The questions are redundant attack tactics, that I have answered repeatedly. Especially from Balbus.


Your question is, how I expect people to react to immigrants? I don't expect them to pay good money, to take care of non-taxpaying immigrants. I expect that a country that spends 48% of the entire worlds military spending, could protect it's own border, slightly better than they could protect a border across the world. But, our Government, for some odd reason, seems utterly incapable of doing so.

I also question who started this movement of immigrants. It's strange to me, they're being told if they can make it to america, they'll get a free ride, and wont be sent home. Imo, it is an orchistraited problem.


I also think ending the Drug War, would help their country get better. So, we've been causing their problems to increase.

 

So they would keep the mexicans out? How would they protect the border?

Besides my own question I ment those of Meliai. Are those attack tactics too? Thanks for answering (although i don't really understand why I am thanking you, it is your own thread after all)

 

I'll answer him, in a bit. But, these arguments are so common from you Liberals, that we actually joke and say "But, without Government, who will build the roads?"

Ill get to it, though. But, it's like I need to tear the whole thing apart, and try to show how most of these arguments are based on misconceptions

 

Why can't you just answer my questions.

Just because I'm asking questions to make you think and explain the premise behind your utopian dream doesn't mean I'm a slave to the government or that I even agree with the way the American government is run.

I'm just trying to get you to think a little deeper and critically about what you're saying.

 

I say we all give it a rest as to answering ANY of STP's posts. Anybody strong enough to resist his mantras?? I'll not answer and see if ït"stops.

 

If he can discuss the topic further without calling anyone a liberal (as we already know he regards us like that ) or make it mainly about liberals again I say lets pay him the respect of reading his posts again. I won't skip any paragraphs either I promise!
But not before because if he keeps doing that we can all assume he's just in it for the arguing and namecalling.

 

As we now speak: The reality of non-effective governments is being experienced through out the world. Most recently in Iraq. Brutal criminals take over and simply staying alive requires the ability to respond with adequate weapons. Anarchy does NOT work and never has. ...Oscar

 

When you understand what free market, it doesn't matter "who" will do all these things. anything that is a legitimate service, would be taken over by private corporations. Communism doesn't work, and a system of violence, is not the way to peace

 

Yeah, and, what "Works" oscar? a system of force and violence, built around punishing people for non-violent crimes, and burning toddlers for the mistakes of their parents?

THIS is not working. Rebellion brings freedom, and we're way overdue for a little freedom.

 

Well we are getting ongoing reports about what anarchy results in. The same things happened when " Pax Romana " failed. We have a piss poor POTUS right now. And " Pax Americana " is failing as a result of extremely poor leadership by said POTUS. If you desire to, I do believe you could find your way to Libya, Syria, Iraq and the other places on Earth where anarchy is the way of life. In spite of that silly mask you choose to continue living in the USA. I hope that Obummer has learned that supplying weapons to criminals is extremely dangerous. The world is in such deep shit right now it may be hopeless. Time will tell. ...Oscar

 

I'm not advocating mob rule, I'm advocating peaceful voluntary interactions. I don't see how Liberals see that as a scary thing.. The thing is, 99.9% of people, don't want to hurt anyone, they just want to live life. Creating a criminal gang, does not "protect" us, more than they risk our lives through wars and brute force, for crimes that are peanuts compared to the crimes they commit.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/22/obamas-power-grab/

 

That is good website. I hope members of this forum will read what is said there. This Obummer is the most dangerous POTUS ever elected. He is NOT a liberal. He is a wannabe dictator with moslem sympathies. He has purged the US military command of people who disagree with him. Exactly what Hitler and Stalin did. I have gone on at length about all this in previous postings. ...,Oscar

 

As I said before, this is idealistic but it is an impractical dream when put into practice given human nature.

If you combine this with a equalization of wealth so the entire game of life is reset and everyone holds the same amount of monetary resources, okay perhaps this can be given a shot.

But you specifically disagree with this kind of societal reset.

 

Your vision has proven superior for the past 2 million years in tribal societies. I'm just not sure how it would work with the kind of population density we haven now.

 

Precisely, and even tribal societies have a hierarchy which on a larger scale eventually translates to government

 

Societal reset? If I understand the terminology, I don't disagree. I disagree with the idea that the answer is more force, more rules and, a forceful Government, which redistributes our money, we've obtained through real physical labor.

In reality, there are plenty of other ways, to ensure people don't starve, through voluntary means. You have Churches and charities, who are happy to help people. and, if more money stayed in the lower classes, there would be more money to go around, and therefore more charitable giving and, more spending, which also helps our economy. Government restrictions have had the direct opposite effect of "protecting us."

a societal reset cannot be forced unto people. One thing we've learned from fourty odd years of failed Drug Policy, is that no amount of laws, will change an individuals behavior. The Government since the dawn of civilization, has used "protecting us" as an excuse, for imposing it's will forcefully onto anyone born within the arbitrary line, controlled by their power structure.


People did not consent to this, nor did we sign a contract. and, it is only a matter of time, that this idea is spread to the General public, as more and more kids, become old enough to realize that they owe tens of thousands, to the Government for their mismanagement of OUR Resources. I think there's alot about Government, Liberals refuse to acknowledge. This is why I talk about force, coersion and, theft as being part of Liberalism, because Liberals look at it as a Humanitarian effort, regardless of how wasteful and, damaging some of these programs are to the Individuals.

This is why I no longer accept any Government. I used to believe we could have a "small" "limited" Government, that strictly adheres to the Constitution. But, any and all Government is based on Force, and, the aristocrats behind the curtains will always use their power to develop more and more authority over everyone. In other words, I believe any Government will transition to Communism/Fascism eventually. When a Government is left unfettered, they begin to punish dissonance, and when no one will speak out against tyranny, we will all be slaves.

The reason I say all Governments will lead to tyranny, is because Government is based on it's strong-arm.

 

Funny you mention communism

Karl Marx once advocated for an ideal, utopian society just like yours where workers own the means of production and have no need for government.

It didn't work.