A hippity hopity hee

nah i think he has a point. and the point is what would result from eating 5 grams and reading this. that thing is what would change your mind about this thing i think

oh yeah and these are very dmt/dpt/amt visuals as well in my sig. this is a scene out of a DPT or DMT peak, the visuals are freaking insane.

 

I am just amazed that all of these people say they have done psychedelics, yet come on forums and intellectualize everything to the point where it loses all potency and can't even recognize the fact that something like this

is about as close as the english language can get to describing a magic mushroom trip.

 

That's what I do for the most part, but this one was just absolutely ridiculous.

Huh??? I don't really post in the LSD forum very much. Most of the time I don't even look at it. And when I do, I usually don't call people out on having RCs unless they state some weird effect or say it was bitter. I don't know what you're referring to with the dosages comment, but I think they're pretty low for the most part. I've had really good L that had full effects with one hit a couple times, but with most of the shit I've had I needed at least 2 hits. It sounds to me that you've got me confused with someone else on this one.

I use the word "kids" to describe any group of people. It's just local slang. Not meant to be derrogatory.

And no, I don't know everything. But I know a good bit, and usually a fair bit more than most of the people that post here.

Yes, I am a kid. 23 is still young. Like I said, I can't even really keep my life straight yet, although some of it isn't completely my fault.

I've looked like a fool plenty of times. If I'm speaking with authority and saying for sure that I know something, it's because it's true. I'll be the first to admit when I don't know something.

I realize that in the big scheme of things, I don't know shit. With a good bit of what I do know (at least pertaining to this forum), I gained from sitting in my room on a computer. Hardly the best way to learn about life. My main goal in this forum is to help teach people to be safer because I honestly feel that my level of knowledge about these things is generally higher than other posters here. I've got other sources that I learn from and I come here to try to share what I learn. The problem mostly arises when people keep asking the same shit over & over & nobody learns.

I'm getting to be too stoned to keep up here. I'll continue later.

 

No it's more the fact that I probably have more experience than you in psychedelics, spirituality, mysticism and realize that always talking about these things in pseudo magical ways and terminology really does very little to educate others about them. Wake up and realize that these are DRUGS and produce very specific EFFECTS due to how they interact with your nervous system. It ain't God in a bottle neodude and the sooner you understand that the sooner you will be able to REALLY learn from them. Drop all the magical thinking and apply a little analytical thought to the subject matter.
Quite frankly almost all the effects of psychedelics can be understood by understanding how they effect the functioning of our nervous systems.
Does that detract from the spiritual, life changing potential they can possess ? No, not at all.

If you can't view the subject matter from an intellectual point of view as well as a spiritual one, well that is just your shortcoming, not mine.
Actually because I view and study these things from both a scientific as well as spiritual understanding gives me a much better insight into what is going on with them and myself when under the influence of a psychedelic. I think I'm in pretty good company in that respect, considering that all the big names in psychedelics have studied them from both sides of the fence so to speak. Do you think that Hoffman, Huxley, Osmond, Shulgin, Metzner, etc, etc, just took LSD and stopped studying it from an intellectual and scientific framework just because they had and recognized the spiritual component of the experience.

It reminds me of a conference with Dr. Shulgin and somebody asked him about how to go about "spreading the word" about these substances and studying them. He told them go to college, get degrees, do research, get published and earn a doctorate and then maybe you will be listened to and taken seriously.
As long as you keep talking like a space cadet and quoting Buddha and basically saying a bunch of flowery shit with "veiled" meaning you will never be taken seriously by anyone but those who already think the same as you.

Oh by the way the word your looking for is INEFFABLE. It means it can not be conveyed in words.
Even so with a little education and wider vocabulary, it can be conveyed a lot better than the OP did.

I think the difference in our ages makes a large difference in how we view these substances as well. When I was your age I was really taken by and swept up by the whole experience and the spiritual revelations it would bring.
Now it's a completely different experience for me than it was twenty five years ago. I'm older and more mature, have a lot more life experience to bring to the experience as well as a lot more education than I did when I was younger.
The revelations from psychedelics for me now really aren't much different than my normal waking consciousness, the information is sometimes just presented in a different unique way. A lot of that just has to do with growing older.
I don't mean this to be condescending to wards you neodude, but I do have the benefit of a perspective that has almost 30 years more of everything life has to offer than you do at your age.
I know what it is like to trip as a young, single, college student with few major responsibilities, much as you at this point in your life. I also know what it's like to trip as a married man with children, have been through a couple of relationships, buried parents and friends, and with a lot more responsibility not just for myself but for others as well.
If you truly think that by your not being intellectual about these topics means you are more knowledgeable than I, then you really are deluded.

I challenge you to stay away from everything, no weed, no psychedelics, for 6 months and then see if you still feel the same way. I doubt you will still be thinking as magically. I say this from experience, not as a slight against you personally.

 

You know what, I think I did confuse you with someone else. Fading brain function I guess.
My apologies in regards to the LSD references. By your responses you do sound like you've got it together more than some of your posts would leave us to believe.
Yes, I also am an advocate of getting the FACTS and being INTELLECTUAL about these things. Had a few bad experiences when I was younger that caused me to not just take somebody's word, but rather research it myself.

 

No, I'm pretty certain that if I took 5 grams of mushies and then read this afterwards I would still think it was an infantile pointless post.

Were you pretty high when you were posting this evening?
Your posts don't have the same degree of clarity and language usage as usual.

 

You continually amaze me by constantly making assumptions about me. I don't think any drug is "God in a bottle" or some instant way to enlightenment, nor have I ever even so much as insinuated what you have managed to imply here.

Yes, understanding how chemicals work and interact with our body is all very good, but do you really think that while Hoffman, Huxley, Osmand, Shullgin, Metzner, etc, etc, were in the depths and throes of a heavy psychedelic trip, that they were honestly thinking about molecular compounds and receptors and the central nervous system? It's almost laughable, which is why when people try to "analyze" the trip itself, they inevitably miss the point. You can intelluctually understand the physical components of these drugs and their mode of action, but trying to intelluctually understand the actual experience itself just means you have missed the point.

Yes, and you apparently take me quite seriously, or at least the message I speak, even though we obviously don't think alike.

I really don't understand the point of this passage. If you'd like to rephrase what I already said using your own words, you are more than welcome to, but I'm aware of the word "Ineffable" and I'm also able to express myself without your help.

And if you think that you being intellectual about these topics means you are more knowledgeable than I, you are really deluded.
You act as if no one has ever played the "age card" on me before. You announcing that you are older than me really doesn't account for much. I'm not trying to undermine or devalue your experiences, but you seem to have an interest in doing that to mine.

I haven't ingested any psychoactive drugs in over a year.

 

I was very high, yes. turns out amphetamine and pot and benzos is a great combo. lol soulkillers to the max! amirite

yeah really you would still listen to that mental chatter as it informs you "this is infantile" when the same words have been spoken countless times to refer to the same no-thing. I think this is a case of us viewing the purpose of hipforums differently; i see threads like this as perfectly allowable, as a direct consequence of certain homo sapiens ingesting these substances and being on a message board. you're gonna get the "hippity" thread, and it has the same plot as the bhagavad gita and einstein's papers on relativity.

it really is just snobbery which says "Not good enough for my forum". Doesn't matter what your justification is, a "better" hipforums, that it's just linguistic diarrhea, whatever. some entities will express what we've all been through in this manner. do not weigh their choice like some meat on a scale. it is to be taken "as is", and if your linguistic conduits don't connect well with this sort of verbage, then just dont post in it. there are many threads i dont post in, simply because i know i have either nothing to say or the only thing i have to say is "in my opinion ur all doin it wrong lol"

 

Just as you make assumptions about me based on what I post here. It really is all any of us can do on this forum considering the limited info we get about one another.

Yes, as a matter of a fact I'm certain at times while under the influence these men thought about scientific aspects of the experience in their respective fields of study. Francis Crick conceived of the double helix structure of DNA while under the influence of LSD. Actually in the fifty's there were a large number of scientific researchers that utilized LSD to consider their work from different aspects.

I do take you seriously, and respect your personal belief system, whether I completely agree with it or not. What I am saying is that if you want to convey ideas to a new audience, you have to use language that they will be receptive to and not just tune you out because of the phraseology you adopt.
The content of your ideas is fine, and I agree with a lot of it. Sometimes the delivery of your ideas could be reworded in a way to facilitate a wider audience. Do you understand what I mean. I ask that genuinely.
If I came in this forum and started to relate my psychedelic experiences from a Judeao/Christian viewpoint and quoted the Bible, presenting it as "the REAL truth", a lot of people would just shut me down and not even hear the content of what I was saying due to the way I was saying it.
Does that clarify my intent in this regard more clearly?

All I was trying to say is that I have more years of experience to draw upon when considering these topics. You really can't disagree with that, and it is in no way a indictment on what you feel or experience. Your life experiences are just as important and valid as mine, I just happen to more stuff in my closet so to speak. That's not a shortcoming on your part at all, just how it is.

I'm not more knowledgeable than you because I study these things from an intellectual viewpoint, I'm more knowledgeable than you because I simply have been on the planet longer. Why do some of you take that idea as a personal attack. It's not an attack, it's just how it is. Regardless of how you personally feel, there are things that are only learned through life experience. If that wasn't true than why all throughout history did most cultures revered the elders and sought council from them and still do?

Then I stand corrected on that assumption.

 

let it all out boys.

tell us about the nothings that you know everything about.

 

As far as i know I do not know any thing about mushrooms i know bit more about chemistry and 36fuckin5 had answered all of my questions.

 

Wouldn't you rather hear about the somethings that comprise the everything which is nothing that leads us from the illusion of everything comprised of somethings that exist in the nothing and... OUCH!!
I think I just sprained my brain.

 

nobody says they know everything about it, and if they did, which some have in the past, they are not taken seriously.

this is an open forum my friend, if you have something on your mind about nothing, go ahead an post, but don't come in here to snidely look down upon other people discussing their views on nothing

 

Well I do know something about nothing and nothing about everything and a little bit about.. YAHH! Shit, reinjured myself.
Damn should've listened to the Dr., he told me to stay off my brain for a few days.
But how am I going to sit down then....

 

Who the hell wants to occupy a psychedelic experience with that bullshit? Go run around and tell me about it later. To each his own. Also, I dont think I ever read a report from you.

 

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, but I'm not really out to convert people to my way of thinking. I speak how I feel in a manner that is comfortable to me, and two things happen - A) Some people are attracted to it, and B) Some people are repulsed by it.
That is going to be the case no matter how I present myself, so I just do what is most natural to me.

I agree, the majority of the older generation usually does have a wider array of life experiences and more wisdom in general. And conversely the young are always seen as the harbingers of a new wave of understanding and wisdom that in their own time they will come to embody. I respect my elders and learn from them when they have something to teach me, and when I'm older I expect to respect the young and learn from them. It's just that sometimes having a discussion with you can be challenging because it feels like you are trying to invalidate my experiences and opinions through virtue of your own. When you do that to someone, you kind of automatically shut down any sort of "middle ground" that two people might share.

Anyways, I'm glad that the tone of this dialogue has shifted. It was leaning towards nasty argument there for a while and I didn't really have the strength to stop.

 

Well, once you've tripped so many times, it doesn't have a lot of lessons to offer. Then you've gotta find new things to do besides look at the wall. This is how more real info on these drugs gets around now.

No, you haven't ever read a report from me, because most of my trips are personal. About half the time I spend most of the peak just sitting there staring and thinking. Sometimes I get up and have fun, but that's usually on a low dose that's not worth writing about. I've realized that these are tools, not toys. Yes, they can be fun, but that's not what they're really for.

 

That's your personal opinion. Who made you High and Mighty Mushroom God?

I think that they can be used for both, depending on which you would prefer at the time. That's my personal opinion. Does that make it true for everyone else?

 

Keep abusing them and they will get pissed. I know because I've been there. Treat them with respect and they'll be your best friends.

 

Human experience is completely subjective. This is especially true with psychedelic drugs in which the individual personality, mood and temperament greatly influence the essence of the experience. How then can you make such a statement that is supposed to be true for both of us? You have absolutely no way of saying that about anyone other than yourself. I did mushrooms dozens of times in groups, pairs, and by myself. I've had nature adventures, house parties, musical jams, tea parties, as well as introspective trips in the comfort of my own home. They've been great friends and I always had a good trip. "Respecting" and "abusing" them as you put it don't appear to be any different in regards to the quality of the experience. I've found equal value in both.