A Fallen Angel

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  1. egger

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  2. Vanilla Gorilla

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    I hate any shit that glorifies suicide
     
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  3. TipsyGypsy

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    "The most beautiful suicide"

    What complete and utter crap.
     
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  4. Piaf

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    Did it hurt
    When she fell from heaven
     
  5. Eric!

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    I hate that there's no information as to why Evelyn specifically committed suicide. But after reading what she wrote in her suicide note, i.e. "I have too many of my mother's tendencies" and reading about her actions at her fiancé's brother's wedding, where she "tore off her bride's maid dress and said she never wanted to see it again".....I came to a conclusion of my own. I think that she had an affair with her brother-in-law sometime before his wedding and could no longer live with the guilt.
     
  6. Piaf

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    ^that's a stretch, I think

    To me, "having too many of mother's tendencies" sounds like her mother had mental issues.
    Depression, nerves, all that.
     
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  7. hotwater

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    Her suicide note read simply:

    “I don’t want anyone in or out of my family to see any part of me. Could you destroy my body by cremation?
    I beg of you and my family—don’t have any service for me or remembrance for me. My fiance asked me to marry
    him in June. I don’t think I would make a good wife for anybody. He is much better off without me.
    Tell my father, I have too many of my mother’s tendencies.”


    Her mother suffered from severe depression—an illness that she inherited


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  9. hotwater

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    The same website that posted a copy of her suicide note


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  10. Deidre

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    Theres nothing "beautiful" about suicide. :(
     
  11. Eric!

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    Ok, I finally saw it mentioned in one article from TheChickandtheDead.com out of many that posted a copy of the suicide note:
    "One can only assume she was perhaps suffering from a clinical depression or mental illness that her mother, too, had suffered – and it makes Evelyn’s death at such a young age just that bit more tragic"

    It clearly states that this was an assumption, meaning to me, that once again, no one truly knows the reason why she killed herself. And if IS true that her mom had these issues, then yes, in most cases these tendencies are heriditary. She wouldn't be the only one out of all the other 6 siblings to have clinical depression, it would have been common throughout all of them.
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    Oddest description of a suicide I've ever read.

     
  13. Slipikins

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    I actually think it's an amazing picture. It's sad she felt the need to do that and in a perfect world, there would have been more ways for her to get help, but that doesn't change the beauty of the photograph. As heartbreaking as suicide is, it's part of human nature and will always be there. This picture isn't glorifying it -- it's just capturing an aspect of who she was. Sad, tormented, and beauitful.
     
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  14. Irminsul

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    Looks like a fake photo to me. If someone did that in 2017 there'd be much more body contortions.

    Things were obviously different to in the 50s. probably diet related.

    Empire state building isnt that thing tall as? It's a conspiracy is what it is. If anyone can jump from that height and end gracefully in a peaceful photo, hell fuck give them angel status cause ain't no humans getting away with that.
     
  15. hotwater

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    Long after the Empire State building put up barriers preventing people from jumping off the skywalk
    people continued to commit suicide by leaping from office windows far above the street below


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  16. I'minmyunderwear

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    makes you wonder whose bright idea it was to put openable windows up there in the first place. even ignoring the suicide potential, you could easily drop a pencil from up there and kill the hell out of a pedestrian.

    was the empire state building built before air conditioning existed? i don't think it was, but i also can't think of any other reason for them to do it that way.

    i'm aware that i could google the answers to all this.
     
  17. hotwater

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    The empire state building did not originally have air conditioning even though it was available at the time,

    Consider the fact that it was built during the height of the depression and the additional costs would have been enormous.

    Even though I mentioned cost overruns from what I understand Air Condition at the time wasn’t even a consideration. New technologies are not always so easily or quickly embraced and Air conditioning developed during the mid-1920s was a fledgling industry

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  18. I'minmyunderwear

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    even with opened windows, it seems like it would have been miserable in that building during the summer. seems like between the heat of the city, the body heat of however many people are in there at any given time, and the standard heat rising principle, those upper floors would be constantly baking. fans in every window?
     
  19. Irminsul

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    If I lived in NYC I'd probably do the same thing tbh.

    Fuck that shit.
     
  20. themnax

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    we all die at some point. i think emotional motivations for checking out early are a mistake of course.

    a lot of people in the arts have emotional difficulties because of how backward headed is the dominant culture.

    this idea that your not earning your keep if you're doing something you enjoy instead of beating your head against something.

    parents have no business wanting their children to be mini me's. no two people are ever born to be the same way as each other.

    like everything else humans screw up, if it isn't narcessism, its narcisism by proxy, nine times out of ten, at the root of it.

    angels? fallen or otherwise? that ain't how the unseen works. or at least there's no real evidence to suggest that it is.

    all of that kind of stuff, humans have collectively if not individually, pulled out of their own ass.

    every awareness has the same validity, whether a cat, a human, some human equivelant in some other solar system or even a disembodied spirit, possibly in some parallel nonphysical universe.

    the only evil is to deliberately refuse to try to avoid causing harm, has nothing to do with pretending unseen things have some kind of hierarchy.

    and demanding people pretend that they do, is just as harmful, and therefor evil, as any other lack of consideration.
     

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