A Dozen Killed in Virginia

So you refuse to acknowledge any difference between organized gang violence which often leads to gun-play, and some guy walking into an office building
armed to the teeth, randomly shooting people because of a real or perceived wrong.

 

The Jamaicans have the worst reputation, but that's likely one reason there are so few of them. In the 1980s Miami discovered half their police force had prior felony convictions and was working both sides of the street. The FBI does a regular 8 year cycle of busting all the Mafia dons and gangsters, cutting off the heads of the chickens so to speak, because the rest of them kill each other faster.

 

100%

I see no difference in a guy who kills 10 and 10 others that kill single.

All murders to me. All gun violence related to me. Business, personal... All bullshit. Criminals.

 

I’ll pass that on to the bureau of crime statistics, I’m sure they’ll have a good laugh

 

Yeah I'm sure they'll sit there laughing at people getting shot and laughing it off as not a crime, that's jus business sherrif.

Laugh all the way to the fucken bank.

 

There is a difference though
Gang related violence is targeted. The average person doesn't have to live in fear of that sort of thing.
Mass shooters are random, and terrifying. Someone could walk in my office tomorrow and start shooting people and I can't do anything about it.
Whereas I know I'm never going to get shot by a gang member. People who die in gang violence are people who make an active choice to involve themselves in gangs or organized crime.

Murder is murder, but in one situation the victim purposely chose that life and in the other situation innocent people are killed at random

And just to clarify I'm not saying one is somehow more moral than the other, I'm just saying there's a difference. Which our legal system acknowledges by varying homicide and murder charges dependent on intent

 

Plenty of innocent bystanders get shot Mel, including school kids.

 

^Yeah I was about to say....

Anyway, I remember an incident from my childhood when a gang member assassinated the wrong teenager in my town. It was big news at the time. The killer got the address wrong.

 

The state of Virginia ripped off their own employees for their retirement fund when they didn't even need the money. A hundred years ago, they even sterilized 20,000 teens for being poor white trash they would eventually have to pay to incarcerate. Donald Duck is now our glorious leader and cut the mass media a deal on their rent, and while white collar crime might as well be legal, and our constitutional rights have been flushed down the toilet. Those people are guilty, guilty, guilty of supporting a corrupt government that is just as likely to withhold their pension fund.

What would you say if they all worked for Fox News or were Wall Street traders widely known for ripping people off? What if they were the pigs who shot 80 year grandmothers in the face at Occupy Wall Street? The longer the American public refuses to take responsibility for their own corrupt government, the more indistinguishable they become.

 

Yeah, get caught in the middle, criminals aren't concerned where their bullets end up. If you stay away from those sorts of places and environments then your mind is already geared to protect yourself and stay within accepted boundaries, lessening your chance to be involved in a violent attack but that's your awareness I feel, not an absolute "it won't happen to me" because if it doesn't, that was your choice.

Control is an illusion. Nobody knows what is going to happen next. Not in your car, not in a building and certainly not on the streets with 24 criminals wielding guns.

 

Yeah you right, I almost edited my post to acknowledge that but it was already long enough : p

But the intention is still to target, which I still see as different from indiscriminately killing in a mass shooting
Mass shooting I put more in the category of terrorism, but without the political motivation

Anyways I'm intellectualizing this a bit, emotionally I abhor the taking of anyone's life for any reason

 

These days, avoiding public theaters, bars, and grade schools is advisable. Its much safer to stick to reality TV in the suburbs. Foreign terrorists tend go for blowing up banks and attacking military targets, because they have no doubt about who to blame. Its hard to feel sorry for the Victims of 9/11, knowing who they all worked for. Nobody cries for the pizza delivery boy getting shot, fuck em all. The white population is crashing and Fundamentalists and Libertarians are going to early graves, while I say good riddance. I'm sure they'll cry over all the people they've fucked over.

I lived in that area for much longer than I care to remember, and know exactly what kind of head-in-the-sand rednecks live there and work for the government. The CIA is roughly an hour and a half away, and between them and Virginia Beach, its one big military-industrial complex and corrupt local government after another. Portsmouth was a total disaster, Newport News makes any red light district look more inviting, and the only thing keeping the whole area from sinking any lower into the Atlantic is the money from the federal government.

Half of Richmond still looks like it never recovered from the civil war, while they keep thinking up new uses for marble on the state buildings covering the other half.

 

They only made them legal because they were already making them? Huh? They weren’t illegal to manufacture in the first place. The push was to make them “illegal”.

As for the rest of what you posted....I’m chuckling because you’re all over the place. What’cha drinking?

 

They were making them without serial numbers and selling them out of car trunks. If any of them paid any taxes on them or tried to register them they were complete idiots. The number of illegal and unregistered and just plain lost weapons in the US is enough to supply any third world country. We make the Irish look wimpy that way. My own grandmother's house had a special secret room just for illegal weapons. Nothing fancy, mostly old crap. The south never did trust Yankees and their damned carpet baggers.

National Geographic did a great photo spread on gang leaders in America today, all posing their babies and girlfriends and family on blankets covered with automatic weapons. They take pride in the family business and photos are everything when you know they'll likely be dead or incarcerated for life by 25. Reality TV is for Libertarian card carrying members of the NRA who don't know where to buy the good shit.

 

There are very few places in America where a card carrying NRA member would have an automatic firearm. A criminal on the other hand....

 

I AM NRA MEMBER ONLY because have to be to be a member of my and all gun clubs in my area..I own gun for protection. legally If someone breaks in my house at night I want be on equal ground with them..I d nevr use it for crime and hop never have to shoot anyone.But they give everyone the ability to protect there selfs no matter how old they are ,how big or what sex they are,,,I beleave if you own a gun you should go club and shoot it few times a year at lest..To stay familer with it..problems with strick gun laws in my state(ma.) they put lot gun shops out bizz with there strick paper work..Lot or sporting stores stop selling them. So it drives the prices way up.. you can only go to few gun shops to buy...If I could go to anther state be lot cheaper..The criminals don t care bout laws..If you gona kill so me one or rob them (armed robbery 20 years jail) The laws not gona stop them..Just makes it tuffer for honest people to protect thereself

 

Bullshit, I know more rednecks than you can count and these assholes love nothing better than to talk about ways to convert their legal automatic weapons that have been disabled, into full automatic ones. Guns are big business, and if the Militias collect any more all you will need to find them is a big magnet. The idiots seriously believe their pea shooters could stop the Pentagons plan to use Intel and IBM robots and drones to conquer the world. One mass shooter was a redneck who used a special shock absorbing stock on his automatic weapon to shoot into a crowd of a hundred people with deadly accuracy. They banned them after that, but Timothy McVey blowing up federal buildings and rednecks killing as many people as they can with automatic weapons is not exactly political stumping.

God bless America! Shoot the tax man and revenuers!

 

Old Saturday Night Specials didn’t have serial numbers because back when they were outlawed, no guns in the US had serial numbers. Serial numbers weren’t required until the Gun Control Act of 1968 (which also outlawed Saturday Night specials). And there was no such thing as gun registration in 1968. Even now in 2019 gun registration is only required in a handful of states. In New Hampshire it’s against the law for a state legislator to even introduce a gun registration bill. That law has to be repealed first. So yeah, most guns aren’t registered but that doesn’t make them illegal.

Guns being sold “out of car trunks” were stolen, not scrapped together in secret factories. Good grief.

So how did ‘ole Meemaw have illegal guns back when gun registration, serial numbers, and background checks didn’t exist? Methinks you have an overactive imagination.

 

They were starting to make them in volume without serial numbers in the 1980s thanks to cocaine chasing away half of Miami's police force. The white man's great genius is in bureaucracy, applying it liberally only when it makes money. The assumption is corruption cannot be defeated, so instead, you manipulate the bureaucracy to make it more or less expensive. The "Good Old Days" never fucking existed.

 

Ah the good ol' days.
So why didn't you take on Lybia?