A couple of questions

Q: Is there a difference between god and jesus? Is Jesus the human form of god? Who is judging on "judgment day". god or jesus?

A: Chrisitians believe in a tri-une God. God is both one and three. Because in Christianity, God IS love and love is relational, God must have more than one part. The three parts are the father, son, and the holy spirit. They are all God. The son, jesus was there in the beginning with the father and the word of god (the holy spirit) God's love was so great for his creation (us!) that it "overflowed" and he gave us part of him (jesus) to be both fully human and fully god (not demi-God) and to die for our sins.

It sounds mythological, and it it. The way they teach it in grade school is like a clover. 1 clover with 3 leaves. Thats the tri-une God.

God (all three parts) are there on judgement day, if you believe in that.

 

i just learned that in theology class...

Im more unitarian i think.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that when you tell a Trinitarian that Jesus never said he was God, they always trot out the same, about 12 scriptures and say look he did too.

The truth is there is no scripture where Jesus comes right out and says; I’m God or I’m God almighty in the flesh, he just never said it.

So what it comes down to is Trinitarians saying well he said this and that means he was saying he was God.

My personal favorite is the one about the “I am”, where they use a bad translation and poor grammar to try and prove Jesus is God almighty.

My second favorite is the one you used John 10:30. There is at least two ways this scripture can be viewed. One is the way that you view it, that Jesus is saying that he is God and part of a Trinity. Another way to view it is that Jesus was saying something like he and his Father stand together in thought and purpose as if they were one person, like any son might say about his father, which seems to be more in agreement with the context as well.

So how can we tell which is correct? Well I would suggest we let Jesus himself tell us what he means by it, as he does in (John 17:18-22), where he seems to be saying the latter and not that he was God and part of some Trinty.

PS as for separating Jesus from God, Jesus is now at the right hand of God and nothing I say or do will separate the two.

 

I think there are many, many more that think like this out there....isnt that what we christians are supposed to do...love everyone? I dont know if you have come across this in your readings, but i believe it is either in the letters of Paul or Peter (or both!) that says we are not here to judge for that is God's duty, and we are here to just love an accept everyone despite differences....and it really makes me mad when people who call themselves Christian FORGET this part?!!!!(and have been disregarding it since the beginning!!)

(and thanks for the compliment! I never would call myself eloquent by any means, but thanks anyway!)

 

Yeah - the older I've gotten and the more I've read, the more I've found that Many so-called Christians seem to live to judge others, pick others words and actions apart, etc. Quite the opposite of what the Point of the Bible is, wouldn't you say?! Especially if you Call yourself a Christian, and would want to be considered a representative of the Master! Why not follow All of the bible, not just the parts that appeal to you?
The term "Christian" is used much to loosely, imho, nowadays.

 

Love everyone? What is the anture of love? How do you love those who commit genocide in Germany, Ukriane and to a lesser extend Khazakstan, Rwanda, South America, Darfur, Bosnia, Ottoman Empire, Belgian Congo etc. How are we suopposed to love these people?

Something a preist I am taking a film and theology class has continually brought up is that Christianity is seen as a "nice" religion where you love everyone. But really it isn't that nice at all and presents people with serious issues. Im I supposed to love Stalin?

 

Christians are supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner.
I in particular have trouble in not judging child molesters and wishing them to burn in everlasting hell. However, in my belief system I will be forgiven this.
Christians are not expected to live sin Free, just to strive toward this as we Try and love our fellow man.
This World's Society has "presented people with serious issues".
Christianity will tell you how to (best) deal with one such as Stalin.

 

I really find it a cop out when people say they love the sinner but hate the sin. What does that even mean, how do yopu practice that?

I have some ideas, but I don't really like it when people just say it and think that it is the summation of their ideology. How does one love the sinner. Yes it is easy for someone to love and forgive someone for lying, but how do you persopnally love Hitler? Stalin? Child molesters?

You say that you do wwant them to burn in hell, but that you will be forgiven for this. Are you, in two sentences, basically calling yourself a huge hypocrite

 

First off, that was what you asked - how were Christians supposed to view various and assorted evilness. That is the answer - we are supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner. I certainly did not realize you desired a summation of my ideology. Foolish me, I thought this could be an exchange of thoughts without pointing fingers, calling names, etc.
If you are familiar at all with the bible you will recall that it is expected of us to always sin - each of us in different ways. When I have felt (in my past) like picking apart Christianity, I always tended to regard my own personal life and woes and compared to others - I was not then, nor am I now concerned with worrying over Hitler, Stalin or others like them.
As I said, it is difficult for me not to judge certain sinners - and as I said this, I was merely personalizing it for you. Again foolish me, I was letting you know that I have my own personal sin(s) to deal with, not being perfect and all. However, I do try, with some success to Not judge molesters and find myself having to "hand that to God" - if you will. That is the way I personally deal with things that I find myself thinking/doing that I should Not do. When it comes to me "That is enough" - I Stop. Then:
I ask Him for forgiveness. I then Strive to do better. A cycle. Like that.
Honesty. NOT Hypocrite.
Since you obviously have enough sense to question, surely you can understand that.

 

I should have put this in my past post, but felt it could stand on its own in describing how I perceive one can :

"Love the sinner, hate the sin."

True story: We presently have a female cat (spayed last week), and she had a litter of kittens she decided she was Not going to nurse when the kittens were barely 3 weeks old. So that left Me, only me, to do something w/ these 5 outside baby kittens.
I absolutely positively Hated that Freckles was doing this!!! She could not be enticed to nurse those pitiful babies. Even when shutting her on the porch and closing the door and the babies were practically standing up trying to nurse under her - she would move them away and begin climbing the screen door.
However, I always loved her. I wanted Nothing to happen to her - but for her to get spayed, which did happen.
2 of the kittens died, and 3 have lived, and should do okay - but this was one lesson I have contemplated.
I also feel that is the way God Jehovah views us, His children.

 

(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

If you will notice that some in the Christian congregation have in the past done some of the most vile things you can imagine but they stopped and turned themselves around, so if someone stops those things and joins the Christian congregation we are to extend our love to that person and yet hate what was done in the past.

As for those outside the Christian congregation, who continue to do what is bad in God’s eyes, we are to show them love by trying to get them to turn around and stop the bad they are doing and join the Christian congregation but if they will not God will judge them and it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

jahmerimaka, you asked,
"Is there a difference between god and jesus?"

not in character > It's "like Father, like Son".

So, why didn't Jesus just directly say, "I am God"? Well, if He had done this, and you already have your idea of who God is, then He wouldn't really be telling you anything, would He ? For example, if you already have been believing that God is distant and just judging us, and then Jesus came along and says, "I am God," all this might mean to you is that Jesus is about being distant and judgmental. This, of course, in church history is how many have seen and represented God . . . as being distant, wanting to prove superiority, etc. . . . like the ones who represented Him to be like this.

What I'm considering is, that Jesus didn't come merely to get a "God" label, but to show us WHO God really is...by showing us HOW God is.

Through Jesus, we can see and discover how God is *loving*. I need to learn my lesson, from how ones in church history have been conceitedly picky about who they love, who they have hope for, and how they have been about superiority and getting power and control of people. And I need to have hope for ALL people. I can see that Jesus had hope for all people > He is not conceited.

 

Mainly because he's not God.