A comparison that's on my mind tonight...

Practically everyday I read something science has discovered that I didn't know about. I'll never have time to keep up with it all anyway.

We saw what Jp Morgan did to Tesla, so I tend to agree with you about suppressed technologies. If it doesn't agree with the current capitalistic monopoly, it won't get developed. No matter the good of humanity.



Bankers, oil magnates and Industrialists ain't gonna have their empire threatened by free anything!

 

Few of those things have done much for me... and I doubt they've done much for all the people who are starving and suffering in the world. You have forgotten to mention the downsides, too, like all the people who have been killed by big pharma, or whom are being surveilled by this satellite technology which is supposedly so great. If all this stuff is as great as it's touted to be, then how come humanity is becoming less free with time instead of more? I am not saying science alone is to blame, but science like all things is controlled by those with power and wealth. There are many people quick to talk about how great science is, while failing to see the downsides when in the wrong hands. Yet they talk like science only serves to liberate, when far more often it's used to do the opposite.

I have no doubt that people lived happier, fuller lives before science ruled our lives as it does today.

 

All that stuff isn't the fault of science, it's the monopolies and regimes that manage the technologies. Science in it's truest form represents the benign search for truth.

 

That I do not disagree with.

 

i'm open to the same fact that there is more than science can explain...
but science's ultimate goal would seek to explain everything!

it's just that we are mere humans, so we are always wrong to some extent. but i enjoy pushing the envelope of our collective knowledge.

pretty much every scientist i know would agree with you in having disdain for the elite few that run science. ultimately, it's the morons in the federal government who control what budget to give the NIH. and then the NIH distributes that money to researchers like my boss, based on peer review of their proposed research.

so science may not be as corrupt as you think it is. or maybe it is, but there is the actual mechanism.

you didn't answer my question whether you reject science as you do religion.

you often seem to have a problem with something, but never offer a solution. just an observation.


where do you get all your knowledge about nutrition? could it be.....science?!


have you ever used a cite like PubMed.org?
it's not free (disproving my own point a bit) but you can access it from schools and maybe libraries.
all the science in my field that is published is available there. the general public isn't told everything that happens, because too fucking much happens. but they can look up most of it. and sure, maybe some is suppressed by the ruling, evil, elite. but that's not a part of science. (i can see from your post above that we agree on this)
and some of it is not published, because it's not interesting.
when the money comes from a private company, i'm sure they have the choice to not publish unwanted results.

but i guess i'll concede that i can see how it's ever so slightly similar to organized religion. i'm someone who practices science, but doesn't agree with the federal government privately molesting the citizens of our country.

there are flaws in any system. but that's not a reason to completely reject the whole thing.

 

Exactly what I wrote. Waterboarding is not a 20th century thing.

 

Science, like most everything else we encounter in this universe, is a two sided coin.

Through science we have brought under control many diseases, have increased the average life span by almost double, have reduced the infant mortality rate, have developed better agricultural methods, not to mention all the technological advances in machinery, which if you look through history, had a hell of a lot more to do with ending slavery than good ole' Abe did.

Historically anytime there was a civilization that excelled and flourished, especially in areas of the arts, sciences and humanities, they had a slavery based economy, every time.

With the advent of the industrial revolution and the explosion of machines that replaced humans in manual labor, the need for a slavery based economy died out.
If the industrial revolution had not occurred when/how it did, slavery would not have ended at that time.


BUT
We now also have a ever increasing population with all it's related problems thanks to the advances in medicine and food production/storage.
We now have the risk of a drug resistant pandemic sweeping the planet as we have introduced so many anti-biotics into the system that many bacterium and virii are becoming immune to their effects.
Advances in transportation will allow that pandemic to spread globally regardless of where it originates.
The great advances in industry that helped end slavery also has produced mountains of toxic waste products, pollution of land, sea and air.
Thanks to advances in technology in managing water reserves we have altered the rotational speed of the planet by stockpiling water in mostly the northern hemisphere of the planet.
Climatic change is one that is still kinda touchy for some, but just at the face of it it is hard to say that the many multiple tons of pollutants that we dump into the atmosphere aren't having any effect. Sure tons and tons of CO2 gets released naturally as well as methane, but human activity has increased the amount of those gases beginning with the domestication of cattle, and has grown steadily ever since and the only real variable is human activity.

So like everything else in the world, scientific advancement is a blessing and a curse.

 

Al-qaeda, etc. in the middle east, don't care for scientific advancement, They wish that the athletics can be fair for their minds for the bragging over their good book reading.

The doctor advises them about the good future of mankind.

 

and with places doing research in which way a dog faces when it takes a shit, you gotta wonder how much do you want to know,
plus the fact that the vast majority of the stuff that gets published is BORING to most unless you are in that particular field of study.

 

Pressed Rat is 100% wrong in what he says about science. Ask him about his science education.

 

Rat's a glass- half- empty kinda' guy. On seemingly everything except maybe music & booze. Each and every facet of any subject---something is fucked and he has the info on it. I actually agree with him on the elites and their doings---I mean the REAL elites. The ones no one can touch. The ones we can't do a damn thing about. Ever. Alright--that's settled( to me) , so perhaps we can move on to improving life as we know it on local levels. We can't just be fucked, roll over and say all is lost ALL THE TIME---can we? Topic is science and religion. So---science and religion. Happy New Year-----ah--never mind--somethings fucked--I just know it.

 

I wouldn't say he's 100% wrong. Some of his points are correct, the problem is his delivery.
Nobody ever listens to a ranter who decries everything as some type of conspiracy or ulterior motive, so sadly, he could be 1000% correct about a lot, but is anybody really going to pay attention enough to try to glean a message amongst all the ranting?

 

Living in NY has to induce a kind of seething intensity we in the west cannot appreciate.

Go west young man!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M"]Pet Shop Boys - Go West - YouTube

 

just so you know, viruses are not affected by antibiotics. only bacteria are. this is the reason why there is no cure for the common cold - it's a virus, and there is no drug to treat it.

i live here too ya know..

 

DOH!

I knew that.
But my point still stands.

 

didn't really mean to generalize, but you are at least somewhat enlightened
(albeit perhaps chemically)