2012, Parking garage (steel and concrete) in Florida collapses becuase of: "The Miami Dade College Garage collapsed during construction because grout was not placed, as required, at the base of an interior column to adequately transfer the column load to the footing. As loads on the column gradually increased on the day of the incident, the bearing of the column over the shim plates exceeded its capacity, resulting in failure. This triggered a cascade of collapse of columns, inverted tee beams and double tees on all five floors weighing approximately 3,300 tons over an area of approximately 16,000 square feet." Grout! The grout between the building columns and the flooring does this:
Are you going to be another one that just says simple stuff like, oh I dont believe, and thats going to be the entirety of your argument? The biggest lie you have ever heard in your entire life is firefighters knew wtc 7 was going to collapse before it did, is it?
These pictures you're showing are definitely analogous to WTC. Especially the parking garage. If bad grout can do that, then maybe airplanes and fires and big surprise explosions did cause the WTC to collapse. Oh, and Building 7, for no reason. But maybe they all had bad grout, too. I think what we have here is a bad grout situation on all fronts. The deadly surprising plane crashes just catalyzed a bigger dormant problem: the grout. Who would take it seriously? Has it been shown that anything hit Building 7? Does it matter, since shit could rain on the thing all day long and it wouldn't collapse, and if you're not a totally asinine person you already understand this, so there's no point in talking to you, because you honestly believe buildings that have stood for decades can collapse because a parking garage had bad grout? These mysteries and more.
Uh huh. Right . . . DUDE!! Is that a photo of the WTC under construction, or is it, as you have claimed, a photo of something from the 1930s?
I have to wonder how many jumpers would've had testimony given current technology to go live online. . ps a government within itself that could also forsee that technology, do it now before everyone is advanced with the to record true evidence ..
He he he he got ya The height of the original wtc 7 was 190m, tell me what that freefall speed was? Dont you get it after 50 pages of me playing around with storch How many seconds did wtc 7 take to collapse? If it was a controlled demolition, how many seconds should it take to collapse? If it as NIST says a progressive (gravitational) collapse, how many seconds should it take to collapse? How many seconds it took to collapse proves it wasnt a controlled demolition, one with uniform charges anyway And why the assumption a gravitational collapse cant fall "into its own footprint", or that any comtrolled demolition does Into its own footprint has nothing to do with any thing, as for "freefall speed" well tell me how long it took to fall?
Sure Lazarus. Sure. Here, watch me play you right into a silent corner: Is that a photo of the WTC under construction, or is it, as you have claimed, a photo of something from the 1930s?
"shit could rain on the thing all day long and it wouldn't collapse" - like wtc 3 as well Why do truthers act like wtc 7 was the only other building that collapsed that day or had to get torn down becuase they would eventually collapse. Duh uh uh uh, becuase not as much stuff fell on it as wtc 3, so it lasted half a day longer, other buildings only partially collapsed that didnt have fires, they were made of super strong steel, so they never had to get torn down, its only if it collapses in front of our eyes is the building fucked duh uh uh uh uh North Tower (WTC1) South Tower (WTC2) Marriott Hotel (WTC3) WTC4 WTC5 US Customs House (WTC6) WTC7 St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church Deutsche Bank Building Fiterman Hall 4 Albany Street 130 Cedar Street 133-135 Greenwich Street 21-23 Thames Street yes dude, grout, of all things. super strong steel and concrete buildings can never ever collapse except for of course if its caused by secret CIA explosive vegemite
So how many seconds? Freefall with air resistance from 190m should take 6.227 seconds Again, I'm fucking with all of you, A controlled demolition itself wouldnt be close to freefall The way NIST says the building collapsed, column 79 etc, theres not going to be any difference between the timing of that and a controlled demoltion, its only 190 m tall Any talk of freefall is garbage, and you have all been going 17 years saying it collapsed at freefall, never noticing how long it actually takes to collapse Then someone will come along and say -mi mi mi mi mi mi well you tell us how long it takes to collapse Then I say, what? from that video where you can only see half the building? There are two videos of the wtc 7 post the other one But then you dont post the other video, becuase then you realise its more than 6.227 seconds
Meh, you are the guy that went 50 pages with the bottom of your antenna falling through 10 floors of your "intact core structure"
No. You are the one who claims that the upper block dropped through the intact perimeter and core structure below it at virtual freefall speed. You're just looking for some consolation after talking out your ass, claiming that this: is a photo taken from back in the 1930s. _________________________________________________________________________________________ And that this: is not part of the WTC hat truss.
If it was rigged or it wasn't rigged. How has this experience of a conspiracy shaped your life over the past 17 years? Are you ahead in life with your beliefs?
Semantics, VG. The point is the buildings shouldn't have collapsed at all given the damage of what happened to them. I don't keep a notebook like a crazy person over how fast the buildings fell. Just judging from videos, they appear to fall exactly as they would in the case of a controlled demolition, with almost zero resistance given by the massive steel structure supporting the top of the buildings. This is not what any reasonable person would expect to see happen. Hence everyone's utter shock at what happened. Of course it was shocking! It was completely unnatural. WTC 3 was situated right between 1 and 2. 7 was blocked by another building, WTC 6. I should have said "the kind of shit that rained down on WTC 7 could have rained down on it all day" but then, that's semantics again, which is your game. Which is playing games and getting into the minutia of every detail just to prolong things and get nowhere so you don't DUH UH UH UH UH UH lose the argument. Huge chunks of WTC 1 and 2 fell on WTC 3, and the thing still wasn't completely crushed. For all intents and purposes, 7 was relatively unscathed and it suddenly, out of the blue, with no forewarning whatsoever, fell from the sky. (Oh wait, am I saying it was a flying building now? Duh uh uh uh uh?) And I guess that's my point. WTC 3 is more like reality. It didn't wait for 7 hours after being partially crushed and then collapse. Its remains just stood there. LIKE A NORMAL FUCKING STRUCTURE. There is nothing you can say to convince me that WTC 7's collapse was a normal occurrence or that it's reasonable to believe that the damage it incurred could have caused this to happen. Drop a huge steel girder from 3,000 feet on WTC 7 every five seconds and this wouldn't have happened. I guess, nevermind the office fires, because we all know that's bullshit. It has to be some other cause so what is it? The "earthquake" caused by the building's collapse? Falling debris? What? What, exactly, caused Building 7 to collapse? I hope you know, because NIST sure didn't. Their desperate hypothesis was that "column 76" (or something) gave way. Ah, the Achilles' heel. Isn't anybody familiar with the term "red herring" anymore?
Well, whether it's because of my beliefs or not, I'm ahead enough to not have to worry it. But it's always good sport to force shills and dupes into corners.
I now live in the Nationalist United States. What more do you want to know? The president and his administration can wage war with anyone at any time without congressional approval and all the president has to do is mention 9/11 in a soundbite and we all know there's nothing we can do about it, because the soundbite exists. "The world has changed since 9/11." "Oh no, you're going to attack Syria? We don't think you should do that." "I'm gonna do it anyway." "I'm gonna play my XBOX and fuck." The media has been basically destroyed, is being torn down by the president and others, but wasn't truly trustworthy to begin with. It has been exposed as a fraud and the sword cuts both ways: you either support a deceitful media or you accept that our leaders can't be held accountable by a fraudulent media. Everything's cool as always for all of us, so long as we're consuming (until the next time a government needs a massive excuse to wage war on the world.) We're all fodder for their agenda when it comes right down to it. Cops have become military and can basically get away with murdering anyone they want while our leaders tell us how much we ought to respect them. The suicide rate is going through the roof. And me, I'm just kind of eking by, waiting for the next big thing. I was 21 years old on 9/11. It changed American society for the worse, much for the worse, and I of course am affected by that. Rape and murder and deceit and lies and Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang. Like Melania's jacket said, who gives a fuck?