9/11

You said your "actual" upperblock you said falls 360 feet in 5s the height of 29 floors. So 99th to 110th floor, the upper block is at the level of 70th to 81st floor 360ft later

The duplicate floor 40 ft, 3 and 1/2 floors ahead of it, but who gives a shit, because the actual block you were trying to compare it with was already 20 floors into you "intact core structure"

Duh uh uh uh uh

Wasnt your own work, you copied and pasted it, went 50 pages here without checking it, god knows how many years elsewhere before that

Duh uh uh uh uh

 

2nd Gulf of Tonkin incident was an imaginary radar blip in the end
False flag, maybe, or everyone just trigger happy to take on the commies.

There are easier or cheaper ways to do it.

If you told me the CIA promised 19 arab guys their families would be filthy rich if they did this, I wouldnt have much to argue. Or better yet Bin Laden was a CIA agent all along, a lot harder to argue.

But no one else is going to show much interest, especially 17 years later.

Most if the attention is about the collapse of wtc 1 and 2. Dont think i have heard a peep about the Pentagon crash in this thread. And no one argues about the collapse of wtc 2 because it "looks right".

Talking about buckling loads and yield strength isnt really conspiracy theory

 

Perhaps if I limit my succession of questions to one per post, you'll be forced to answer them.

So, with that in mind:

Is this:



a photo of the WTC under construction, or is it, as you have claimed, a photo of something from the 1930s?

 

The military industrial complex would never engage in something as nefarious as false flag operations. They are true blood, gung-ho Americans all the way. All they want to do is make sure we're all happy little dumplings here in the USA. The CIA, same thing. They are the good guys. Like GI-Joe.

 

Everyone should be talking about building 7. The building that got hit by nothing and still collapsed.

 

You are still going? Really?

With what you were trying to do, with your little imaginary horizontal line at the top of the tower / base of the antenna is say watch it drop 250 feet, not 360 feet.

250 feet would have been to about the 90th floor, the top of your "intact core structure" anything more than that, and you have spent fifty pages admitting the hat truss, base of antenna etc travelled through 10 floors of your "intact core structure", the bottom of your upper block the 99th floor travelled through 20 floors of your "intact core structure"

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?.

You need to explain to everyone how you made such an extremely obvious and simple error and not notice for 50 pages, before discussion can move on with you
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Then even if it does, how relevant is any discussion going to be with you, you are the guy that didnt notice 360 feet is 29 floors for 50 pages.

In other words, I win, i dont see how you are going to comeback from that

 

Who told you that ? Just wondering


Never mind I don't wanna know

 

Remind us how it caught on fire in the first place

 

I've never mentioned how many floors 360 feet is. And it isn't relevant to my point. I'm attempting to walk you through this, but you are refusing to acknowledge or answer any questions put to you.

So, let's continue where we left off.
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Perhaps if I limit my succession of questions to one per post, you'll be forced to answer them.

So, with that in mind:

Is this:



a photo of the WTC under construction, or is it, as you have claimed, a photo of something from the 1930s?

When you answer this, we can move on to what the video of the collapse indicates.

 

Over 3 hours before wtc 7 collapsed, fireman reported the frame sagging.

It should be self evident, but no one died in the collapse becuase the firefighters knew hours before hand it was going to collapse

"As the North Tower collapsed, heavy debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing damage to the south face of the building[24] and starting fires that continued to burn throughout the afternoon.[25] Structural damage occurred to the southwest corner between Floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof; other possible structural damage includes a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.[25] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[26][27]

Some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[28] Fires burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[29][30] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6–10, 13–14, 19–22, and 29–30.[24] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[31] At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might cave to one side or "collapse".[32] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building and issued uncertain reports about damage in the basement.[33] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel A. Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[34] At 5:20:33 pm EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center started to collapse, with the crumble of the east mechanical penthouse, while at 5:21:10 pm EDT the entire building collapsed completely.[35][36] There were no casualties associated with the collapse."

Collapse of the World Trade Center - Wikipedia

 

wtc 7 top right

 

1966, Zoology department at the University of Aberdeen is the first known progressive collapse of a steel and concrete building

Not even any fire, just shitty welding, then collapse from wind loads

 

1986, Hotel New World in Singapore collapsed, steel frame and concrete.

No fire, the structural engineer forgot to add dead load (weight of the building itself) to his calculations

 

I've tried discussing Building 7, but evidently if a skyscraper gets hit by a beam or two and has small fires within it's perfectly reasonable to believe that it will collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint to some people.

Evidently all buildings are extremely dangerous to be in. If they weren't built before, say, 1980, a strong gust of wind can blow them down. I'm not sure why they aren't all being demolished, given that they are so extremely hazardous. I mean, really big skyscrapers take into account the fact that planes could fly into them. They're supposed to be designed to compensate for that, but I guess not. Basically you put your life in God's hands any time you step into one, but I'm sure the odds of death are no worse than driving a car or something. Very dangerous. Very bad. Stupid engineers who didn't know what they were doing.

But terrorists have certainly learned something. You can pretty much just set fire to a skyscraper and expect it to collapse. Or try driving a car really fast into the base of one. It will probably fall down. Make that a semi. I'm sure that's believable. If you drive a semi into the base of the Sears Tower, it will collapse. Especially if there's a fire. It doesn't even have to be burning that hot, either, not even hot enough to melt steel. All it has to do is loosen a few bolts...weaken a few rivets. Not even symmetrically throughout the building. Just for maybe twenty feet of the building along a wall. It will collapse at freefall speed into its own footprint. They really shouldn't even allow cars to be driven around skyscrapers, the danger of them collapsing is so strong.

 

Damage to the Verison Building post 9/11

Falling debris alone causes the steel frame to buckle and twist

 

A B-25 Bomber hit the Empire State Building. Don't go anywhere near the building. It could collapse at any second. That isn't due to the B-25, though. That's just because it's a skyscraper. It could collapse due to a strong gust of wind or something dangerous like that.

 

It's a fluke that it didn't collapse. Normally, since the building was constructed so long ago, it would have collapsed within the first few hours of its being built. Due to nothing.

 

This building burned for 29 hours. It has yet to collapse, but is going to. Also it wasn't built like WTC with its stupid gigantic internal steel core. Those things collapse faster, because the people who built them were stupid and dumb.

 

Building 7's occupants were a large bank, CIA, FBI....wow, you would think they could construct a building a little better