9/11

so you joined a forum with the user handle 420, to discuss 911.. what are you smoking>?

 

Have you even considered the possibility it was a conspiracy. It's not like our government hasn't done anything sketchy before. Iran-Contra affair anyone? Gulf of Tonkin Bay incident?

 

I'm not talking about thermite. Nanothermite, a highly advanced explosive found only last year in the rubble. It only would be present if it had been plante there prior to the attack. Here's just one video discussing the inconsistency that is nano-thermite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

 

Christ thermite didn't work so people came up with nanothermite. Nanothermite probably exists in the rubble for the same reason thousands of other things do, hundreds of various chemicals colliding in extreme heat. It's like those anti cigarette commercials that say there's 4,000 chemicals or whatever in each cigarette. Yea they're made naturally through chemical reactions in the burning of the tobacco and paper under heat, there's not actually any substantial amount of thousands of chemicals added.

 

thermite didn't work? if denial constituted an argument maybe, but as it is there is far to much information on this subject to just ignore...

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html#residue_analysis

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090404150711883

http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.co...ts-find-explosives-in-world-trade-center-dust

 

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it's reported that a US military helicopter circled the building then crashed into or next to the Pentagon - it's not clear to whether it was the White House or the Pentagon - they are being evacuated
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Please don't leave the building. One of the towers just collapsed! PLease, please be careful. Repeat,
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Eddie and Paul are okay. Paul is still trapped in his building which is next to the WTC.
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1) my nephew's ok, 2) there's a dead body at the main gate, 3) US denies responsibility for bombing in Afghanistan. Over and out.

 

look, it is what it is. It was a tall a** building hit with a big a** plane with a bigg a** gas tank of fuel. Once all the floors start falling from where the plane hit all the weight falling on top of another would make that sh*t fall. think about it. Besides now is not the time to argue about whether the building should have fallen or not considering a BIG A** PLANE WITH A BIG TANK OF JET FUEL HIT IT, but what to do to prevent this from ever happening again. Its done ,,, over with ,,,, lets try and not let anyone have to go through this again. Period ,,,,,,

 

well you said something confidently so It must be true... I don't pretend to know the complete story but considering even members of the 911 commission report say the official story is a whitewash, it is time for the biased bullshit on both sides to stop and an honest investigation to take place. Of course I'm sure JFK has some opinions on government backed,-funded,-and-run investigations into conspiracy theories...

 

That is so rich! It's like immaculate conception, or wait, spontaneous generation!

During the Black Plague people believed a pile of dirty rags would magically turn into rats. So now buildings burning and falling down create explosive residue. Great!

I maintain my suggestion I posted before for MadCap, you should look into being a Crime Scene Investigator. You would be perfect for that job.

 

There's no way nanothermite would appear in the rubble. Any sort of chemical reaction that could've taken place would not create it, as it is an extremely advanced explosive that requires extensive work to create. Watch the video. Or do a tiny bit of research. No sort of "chemicals colliding in extreme heat" could produce such a super-advanced chemical.

 

A better question has there actually ever been evidence of this being found aside from the asinine claims of a few people trying to push a movement

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/200...ce-surrounding-the-nano-thermite-red-herring/

Right, funny what a little research can do.

 

Debunking Scott Creighton's Debunking of Nanothermite


In a recent post entitled Niels Harrit is a Weasel. He’s the Back-Stabbing Fredo of the Truth Family, Scott Creighton, AKA willyloman, calls Professor Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University a "disinfo specialist, red-chip peddling, snake oil salesman." Now for those who don't know, Neils Harrit is a Professor of Chemistry, expert in nano-chemistry, and one of nine scientists who in April of this year found unignited explosive residues in dust from the WTC disaster on 9/11. Specifically, they found a nano-engineered variant of the incendiary thermite, that when heated exerted an energy/volume yield exceeding that of explosives commonly used in demolitions.

Creighton starts his critique by stating that there is no way that the required amounts of nanothermite could have been snuck into the Towers, and by bashing the plausibility of 9/11 researcher Jim Hoffman's Hypothetical Blasting Scenario. However, he makes no mention of a paper written by one of the nine scientists to make the discovery entitled "Demolition access to the WTC Towers."

Matt Sullivan of the RockCreekFreePress points out the important aspects of the paper:

"Sol-gels of nano-thermites are described in the literature as being very stable and safe to handle in liquid form. They can be applied to surfaces by spray or even paintbrush. It is entirely possible that the explosives were applied to the building disguised as a paint or as a spray-on fireproofing.

Researcher Kevin Ryan has previously published a paper (Journal of 9/11 Studies) noting the extreme coincidence that the floors in the towers where structural failure was initiated exactly correspond to the floors where fireproofing had recently been 'upgraded' in 1999 and 2000." (See diagram)



On August 13, 2009 Ryan released a follow up to his paper entitled "Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security."

Next Creighton childishly tells these investigators what they need to be doing:

"Hey Steven and Neils, I got an idea: why not test for the exact kind of explosive residue that the controlled demolition industry ACTUALLY USES? Hey, there’s a concept. You know, the kind of tests that NIST and FEMA report that they DIDN’T run? The kind of test that you yourselves also admit you DIDN’T run? The kind of test I specifically ASKED you to run, not once but TWICE now in private communications? And the VERY kinds of tests you yourselves suggest SOMEONE ELSE RUNS in your recent bullshit 'thermetic material' paper?

You know, THOSE tests. That’s an idea, huh? The kind of tests that Greg Roberts (one of the authors of the nanothermite paper) told me in an email that he DIDN’T want to run because a negative result might hurt the Truth movement. Those tests."

By pointing out that NIST and FEMA didn't run tests for conventional explosives Creighton insinuates that this must be the line of inquiry where the real truth lies, but that knife cuts both ways.

As pointed out by the group FireFightersFor911Truth:

"The National Fire Protection Association very clearly states melted steel or concrete is a sign of exotic accelerants. (both have been documented in the WTC debris) Therefore, the debris should have been thoroughly analyzed for exotic accelerants, specifically Thermite.”

And in NIST's 2006 Q&A paper they stated that they didn't test for any type of explosives, conventional or otherwise:

"Q: Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues?

A: NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel."

Speaking of questions, did Gregg Roberts give you permission to print something from a private email Mr. Creighton? Because if not, my dictionary says right here that a "backstabbing weasel" is someone who publishes a private comment in a public place without permission, especially if it's done with a destructive tone.

That being said, Mr. Roberts has every reason to be concerned that tests for conventional explosives might yield negative results. These are clearly demolitions, but they are also clearly deceptive in nature, they were made to look as if they were caused by plane impacts and fire. Furthermore, no det cord, which would leave unmistakable chemical evidence, was found in the rubble. For these and many more reasons distributed conventional explosives do not seem to be the best candidate. On the other hand there is considerable evidence for the use of thermite. In addition, the use of thermobaric devices would fit the bill perfectly as well, particularly due to the fact that they leave no explosive residues. So, what would you choose as a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nGS9uNd1Go"]conspirator? Nanotechnolgy that practically nobody has heard of combined with thermobarics that don't leave a trace, or detectable conventional explosives?

All that being said, when Kevin Ryan was asked on the visibilty911 podcast if anyone had looked for evidence of conventional explosives, he stated:

"We've been talking about it, but no. I think the best thing to do is start testing for RDX, HMX, and those sorts of things in the WTC dust... That's the next step that we're looking at now.

So you may get you wish at some point Mr. Creighton, but it certainly won't be because of your hateful diatribe.

Next, Creighton inserts a video I put together into his article, take a look...



The funny thing is the video debunks the idea he raises after its insertion:

"The red/grey chips ARE paint, with a slightly different chemical make-up that what was used on the columns, and from the OTHER location that had red painted steel in the Twin Towers… the TRUSSES."

I have to wonder if he watched it all the way, or if he just didn't pay attention. Trusses, columns, it doesn't matter! The video clearly demonstrates a multitude of reasons that these chips are not paint of any variety.

Finally, Creighton briefly mentions one of the many examples of supporting evidence for the use of thermite, he states:

"What you DON’T see is the TRUSSES. The THOUSANDS of STEEL trusses are missing. Why? Because when the HIGH EXPLOSIVES that were placed under the floors and inside the TRUSS systems, was ignited, the 4,000 degree plus temperatures MELTED the TRUSSES and PULVERIZED the concrete floors of the towers.

That is why some of the red/grey chips are attached to the iron-rich micro-spheres; because they were BOTH created at the SAME TIME."

In the following videos I put together, the significance of these spheres is explained, as well as the other pieces of supporting evidence. The many inadequate counter arguments are also discussed and refuted...





Once you realize that you are wrong on this issue Mr. Creighton, you will realize that we already have the evidence you seek. The real questions are, how do we break through the media censorship, and get people in positions of power to do something. Won't you join us in looking for the answers? If not, then you need to take the advice found in one of the comments on your article:

"The way you dispute a juried paper with solid science is to produce another juried paper with better science that shows reproducible evidence that the first one is wrong and why."

 

I agree with the quoted statement. Put up or shut up.

 

watch loose change on youtube

 

ok so we caused this. It does not negate the fact that terrorists want to wipe us out and take over. Perhaps we did let them do what they did along with planted Thermite (i hate to think of it that way). I don't know all the facts along with 9/11, but I do know that there is an Ideology out there that wants to do alot more then just taking down the twin towers. I know this for a fact, period. I spent several years hunting down those people still conspiring to harm people in the US and abroad. That is a fact. argue about thermite all you want. It does not negate the fact that There is other people out there trying to destroy how we live whether it be by trying to make an example or whether its our own from the inside. If your just looking at web pages and coming to conclusions what the hell do you know? nothing really. I'd like to see someone post something on this thread that has tried and do something about this. Not just look at web pages and post links. 9/11 happend and I went to find the truth. What have you people done besides watch the news and look at web pages while everything was happening in the middle east after 9/11? I can't say the government didnt have anything to do with this. What I can say is that I know that those same people that Did conspire the destruction on that day are still working to cause more destruction. If you really care you would try and find out for yourselves. get off this forum and get off your stupid websites of "what if". You can find out for your selves what the hell is going on if you really wanted. Point being if your source is fox news, cnn, some random web site for what your posting, unless you've been there done that, what in the world do you think you have to prove? People want to kill us period. our way of life doesn't fit into thier ideology and thats the way they see it. That IS real, not some conspiracy.

 

This is the best filming have came across on this subject. It shows the explosions in the building before they go down. A professional demolition at its finest.

This whole film is great but this gives the best evidence that this was a setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT1njmM08hk&feature=related"]YouTube - Wake Up Call - New World Order Documentary - Remastered - 08 of 16

 

I havent seen loose change but the same directors new movie NWO is very good. I posted the movie around here...

 

retired army general in charge of intelligence in 1980's
"the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition"
"an airplane did not strike the pentagon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E"]YouTube - General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!

architect experienced in steel structures. calling for more thorough investigation into the collapse of the wtc's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us"]YouTube - NEW PROOF 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! Richard Gage. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth!

my favorite bedside reading is the national institute of standards and technology's 10,000 page report entitled "the collapse of the world trade centers" where not once is it explained how or why they collapsed.

would you go so far as to say the controlled demolition of the twin towers and world trade center 7 is obvious?

 

Considering 95% of the world's engineers disagree as well as the people who built the towers, I'd say no it isn't obvious.

 

i'd like to see where that number came from. and engineers is a general term. what does a petroleum or chemical engineer know about buildings collapsing? also what did these engineers disagree to as i never made a statement to disagree with i just asked a question.