9-11/WTC question

that beam is bent from heat stress, and weight of the building...does that prove that jet fuel alone caused it to give? no
you haven't given any empirical evidence that the jet fuel was the sole contributing factor to the structural lapse, and the fact that other buildings have sustained hotter temperatures and burned longer just adds to the skepticism.

 

That was steel from the WTC7, I told you that. No jet fuel, but you can see that heat can greatly reduce the structural integrity. The link I provided does explain what cause it to give.

<LI>The airplane impact with damage to the columns.
The ensuing fire with loss of steel strength and distortion (Figure 1). With the ununiformity of the fire.

Loose Change is a 1hour 20minutes (I think) conspiracy video about the 9/11 attacks. Making lots of false assumptions (like the puff of dusts out of the windows, saying that those were explosives, but the real reason is just the massive pressure being blown out).

I'm really glad to hear that you never heard of loose change, proving that you aren't basing your skepticalism on that video but from what you know or read.

You can find loose change on video.google.com

And no I wasn't born yet in 1986 :&

Edit: heheh you keep editing while I'm typing, so It's hard to me to answer everything that you said.

 

no, I haven't seen it. don't know if Moore did that, but I'm not a huge fan of his; I prefer Alex Jones.

here's another link for good measure
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm

the jet fuel likely didn't sustain temperatures high enough, long enough to cause such structural wear, and none of the links you've posted proves otherwise. the link you posted offers a theory as to what may have caused the girders to give, but can't actually prove it.

 

this is tiresome. I see you have a sort of obsession with 9/11. Any clue as to why it happened?

I have a theory that goes back to Waco, when Repubs wanted to the the Anti-Terrorist Bill passed, which failed in the house...it immediately got passed after 9/11

 

neither do yours , and Class A fires do burn hot too, not only fuel. And no it's not Moore.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change
I'll read your link after I'm done with this project.

 

oh shit, I have seen that one; but didn't pay it much mind. The "projectile debris" phenomena comes from an older clip

 

Nah hahah I don't have an obsession about 9/11, the topic came up, got me skeptical too. I'm not taking sides, people come up with something and I come up with something against. So now I'm learning stuff at the same time.

And why it happened, I don't know the details, something for whatever happened before with the middle-east and the US. I forgot where I read all that.

 

oh, hahaha..
that's cool, I was like you when I was younger; I often went against the grain, and got to hear the other side, but argued opposite.
I've been on both sides of the fence, and sticking too much to either side isn't really good.
Being conservative in the general sense isn't a bad thing, but sacrificing some liberties for some sense of security certainly is; that's what I'm wary about.

moderate on either side is the way to be, if taking a political stance. I consider myself moderate-left libertarian, I suppose.

some conspiracy theories I dismiss as too far-fetched, others make a hell of a lot of sense, when you observe what's going on; hard to prove, like I said, because gov't regulates media in this country, for sure; FCC and Clear Channel.

 

Yeah well, you're a chemist, and I'm performing well in that subject, along with physics and other stuff.

I don't really need some sense of security either about a government that isn't even mine. So you can strike that out. You can see me as the person on the sidelines, the observer, someone comes up with something and I comment that it is incorrect, unless that person can prove otherwise. But I am certainly not forcing any kind of opinion or views.

I can't really take a side yet anyway, I don't know enough, haven't lived long enough either. I rather wait and observe.

Edit: you and your edits hahah, yeah some conspiracies are just flat-out dumb, thus, unfortunatly, reducing credibility for any other conspiracy on the same page. I say wait and observe, it's really hard to know what was happening inside the WTC.

 

ah, attaboy

forgot you're in Canada, lucky guy.
yes, I'm a chemist, which means I'm scientific minded...the tendency for leftism comes with the desire for little restriction on research, which opposes moral ideology of neo-conservativism.
Though science is pure; it presents the facts without bias, objectively.

 

I wish I could post in the politics forum, some interesting topics there. But I found this website not even a week ago, so I'm not going to donate 10$ just yet.

 

you have to donate?

???

 

Oh wait, I'm a member now, I see, I was a guest before and it didn't work, so I thought that being a member meant people who donated. Hey, thanks for making me check that forum again.

 

I think you work for the gov... or maybe whatever extraterrestrial species it is that the gov't is working for... now thats better for paranoia..!?!!!

it was all rigged to confuse polymer and the .KK into having a pointless debate... bring it on!!.... oh wait.. canada?! why are you siding with the US government?.. ...sketchy..

 

the point is you have to see things big
all of this 9 sept shit was only made to have an excuse to rape some other countries to get some free loot
its just another page from an history book

 

yeah, and mussouai was convinced to lie, recently saying it was the truth... in which his previous truth is now called a lie...
this is to give more credit to the government, as if.. some foreign terrorist did 9/11
anyone ever prove the link between 9/11 and osama bin laden? dont think so...
definitely no link between osama and saddam... maybe theyre muslim brothers, but thats about it... for all we know, osama could be working for our government.. used as a decoy a ploy to get our public opinion directed a certain way...
americans and saudis are friends
bush's and saudis are friends
( http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm first-link-i-found)

huhm