9/11 Truth Scholar Jim Fetzer on Hannity and Colmes

Nobody has ever claimed that jet fuel turned steel reinforced concrete into powder, so its hard to see what your point is.

Not if you understand the difference between a static and a dynamic load.

They say some of the jet fuel went down the elevator shafts, which isn't really such a wildly improbably consequence of the aircraft exploding in the middle of the building.

If the elevators were airtight, people would suffocate. And if that made sense, an aircraft weighing 200,000 pounds would obviously break open the shafts when it collides with the building at hundreds of miles per hour. i.e. baloons are airtight, until you poke them with a pin.

Flame resistant doesn't mean it won't burn. it means it is flame resistant. Do you think they use special flame resistant paper in office towers?

You mean by a peer reviewed scientific paper or by a conspiracy website managed by someone who has no training in engineering?

The impact of a 707, a smaller plane. And they did survive the impact of the planes. It was the fires they didn't survive.

So you are saying the impact of a 767 travelling at 500 miles an hour is not relevant, as far as you're concerned the WTC had a fire? In other words, how many buildings have survived the impact of 767s and massive fires caused by thousands of gallons of jet fuel? None.

Do you think the steel colums were 110 stories tall? Seriously?

Neither are you or most fans of conspiracy theories.

Yes, if you let conspiracy theorists define what "pull" and "it" means, then you call call that a confession.

Really - so the investigators that covered up every other aspect of 9.11 were going to reveal all the exciting stuff in the "CIA tower"? Keep in mind that the rest of the WTC buildings were demolished afterwards, its pretty hard to see why WTC7 would need to be demolished in advance by pre-wiring a building with explosives. Not to mention the fact that it burned for hours, was severely damaged, and eyewitness accounts say it looked like it was going to collapse.

 

Hey Pepik, if WTC7 fell because of fires that were burning for hours, than how the come the madrid building burned for days with raging fires on every floor and didn't collapse...in fact a steel frame building has NEVER collapsed due to fire, so you need to provide us with facts if your trying to prove this point.

Plus the fact is talking about this will never stop, no one knows exactly what happened and we never will because they took every single piece of steel from the scene and shipped it off to china as quick as possible. most pieces were equipped with global positioning mechanisms and one truck driver who was transporting some of it stopped to buy a sandwich and was FIRED. So this will always be debated, what's not debatable is this...

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html
If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time. In early October 2001, Indian intelligence learned that Mahmoud had ordered flamboyant Saeed Sheikh - the convicted mastermind of the kidnapping and killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl - to wire US$100,000 from Dubai to one of hijacker Mohamed Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.... Mahmoud's involvement in September 11 might be dismissed as only Indian propaganda. But Indian intelligence swears by it, and the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has confirmed the whole story: Indian intelligence even supplied Saeed's cellular-phone numbers. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. The 9-11 Commission should pose very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testifies this month. In December 2002, Graham said he was 'surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the [September 11] terrorists in the United States ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now.' He could not but be referring to Pakistan and Mahmoud. If Mahmoud was really involved in September 11, this means the Pakistani ISI -'the state within the state' - knew all about it. And if the intelligence elite in Pakistan knew it, an intelligence elite in Saudi Arabia knew it, as well as an intelligence elite in the US..... On September 10, the Pakistani daily The News reported that the Mahmoud visit to the United States 'triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council'. If he'd been to the National Security Council, he had certainly met Rice. Mahmoud did meet with his counterpart, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director George Tenet. Tenet and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage had been in Islamabad in May, when Tenet had 'unusually long' meetings with Musharraf. Armitage for his part has countless friends in the Pakistani military and the ISI. Mahmoud also met a number of high officials at the White House and the Pentagon and had a crucial meeting with Marc Grossman, the under secretary of state for political affairs. Rice maintains she did not meet Mahmoud then.... Million-dollar questions remain. Did Mahmoud know when and how the attacks of September 11 would happen? Did Musharraf know? Could the Bush administration have prevented September 11? It's hard to believe high echelons of the CIA and FBI were not aware of the direct link between the ISI and alleged chief hijacker Mohammed Atta. On October 7, Mahmoud was demoted from the ISI. By that time, Washington obviously knew of the connection between Mahmoud, Saeed Sheikh and Mohamed Atta: the FBI knew it.... as Asia Times Online has reported, Mahmoud did disappear. He lives in near seclusion in Rawalpindi....The families of September 11 victims, US public opinion, the demonized Islamic world, the whole world for that matter, all everybody wants to know is what really happened on September 11.... The genie - the crucial information - is still in the bottle. "
9-11 AND THE SMOKING GUN
Asia Times, 8 April 2004"

Now we know that the same Sheikh Saaed who wired the 100,000 to Mohammed Atta has been proven to be not only working for the ISI but was an M-I6 agent the entire time, he was a double agent. This means he most likely killed Daniel Pearl for coming to close to the ISI-Al Qaeda connection, because it would lead right to M-I6 and the CIA. It is admitted that Al-Qaeda is funded by the ISI. The ISI is completely funded and controlled by the American CIA, who is in control of the CIA? You have George Tenet and Richard Armitage having long meetings in Islamabad with Musharraf, what were they talking about? why havn't they answered 70% of the questions asked by the families. stop trying to make this a purely physical debate, these are the questions the families want answered. By the way Bill Doyle, the head of the biggest 9/11 families group has stated publically that about half of the families believe that it's an inside job.

Yeah that's right, so when you tell us were hurting the families it's a blatant lie, YOU are hurting the families by equating people who ask questions about 911 with terrorists, retartds, and whackos.

 

Don't you think this statement is a little misleading?

Let's look at the first sentence. "Every single piece of steel from the scene was shipped off to China aqap?

How quick exactly is aqap?

Quick enough that SEI/ASCE teams had unlimited access to the WTC site for six days and was granted use of FEMA's Regional Operation Center on a 24/7 basis?

Quick enough where these investigation teams were allowed access to debris at Fresh Kills Staten Island Landfill and two recycling yards in New Jersey, where samples of structural steel were obtained and have since been subjected to labratory analysis?

http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/full02/mar06/corley.htm

Another misleading statement. A more accurate statement would have been.....

"To control theft, the nearly 200 trucks used to haul away steel from the WTC site were equipped with GPS devices so that their movements of this cargo could be tracked. This is in the wake of an investigation by the New York Police and the FBI of the theft of over 250 tons of steel, estimated at a value of roughly $17,500. One driver involved in the clean up operation was subsequently dismissed simply for taking an extended lunch break."

A statement like this still gets the point of the story across, that the steel was being tracked via GPS, but also explains why. Here are some snippets discussing the security of the cleanup site.

The New York Police and FBI are investigating the theft of over 250 tons of steel from the remains of the collapsed WTC towers. Apparently, the steel was hauled away by trucks involved in the official clear-up operation (see September 12-October 2001), but instead of being taken to Fresh Kills—the FBI-controlled dump on Staten Island where it was intended to go—the steel was driven to three independently-owned scrapyards, two in New Jersey and one on Long Island. The London Telegraph says the scrap metal value of the stolen steel would have been roughly $17,500. Investigators believe the theft was organized by one of New York’s Mafia families. [Daily Telegraph, 9/29/2001] Consequently, on November 26, 2001, the city initiates use of an in-vehicle Global Positioning System (GPS), to monitor the locations of nearly 200 trucks removing steel from the WTC collapse site, at a cost of $1,000 per unit. This system sends out alerts if any truck travels off course or arrives late at its destination. One driver involved with the clear-up operation is subsequently dismissed simply for taking an extended lunch break. [Access Control and Security Systems, 7/2002]

The way you try and prevent evidence is in the same manner that most "conspiracy theorists" do. While not outright lying, you present fractions of statements, use implied wording, and give vague explanations. People that are simple minded or are too lazy to really find out what is going on are succeptable to believing information when it is presented this way. I do not know if this is something you learned in an attempt to spread your propaganda, or just subconciously picked up from reading material from CT sources. This is why CT believe they have evidence proving their theories, but when disected, most if not all is easily refuted. This is why absolutely no credible media sources have presented "9/11 Truth" information, because it simply does not hold water. This is the method Michael Moore uses to spread his deceit.

 

I think it is pretty conclusive that "shipped off to China as quickly as possible" is a completely unfounded claim.

And that's a problem here. No matter how many errors you point out in a conspiracy theorists post, they are just a cut and paste away from dumping another thousand pieces of "evidence" on you. The last post's errors are forgotten, ignored, abandoned... until tomorrow when they reappear in another post. Yes, we'll be hearing again about air tight elevators, about how the WTC was supposed to survive the impact of a jet... etc.

Fire never destroyed a tower EVER. So? I pointed out that this statement implies that the fact that the WTC was hit by a 400,000 pound jet travelling at 500mph is somehow not relevant. Now we switch to WTC7. Of course rather than ignore the jet, now we are ignoring the fact that a 110 STOREY BUILDING COLLAPSED ON WTC7 AND CARVED A HUGE HOLE TENS OF STOREY HIGH OUT OF THE SIDE OF IT.

Come on, someone tell me how the Madrid building (which did, in fact, have a partial collapse) is a relevant comparison seeing as IT WAS NOT RIPPED OPEN BY THE COLLAPSE OF A 110 STOREY BUILDING. I think this is relevant, if you don't please explain why. I think this is a fair question.

 

This logic is completely false... as if the fact that two agencies have ever cooperated in the past means they are somehow fully in cahoots and share everything happily ever after... you need to raise your standards for "evidence".

 

What happened to this forum, it used to full of people who actually wanted to debate and not shills who just throw around all kinds of insults and praising everything they say as the absolute truth.

 

What kind of answer is that supposed to be? I made a lot of specific points which you have completely refused to address. Why not try responding to the things I said yesterday?

 

What are you talking about? You have been here the whole time.

These are all things you said to me in ONE post. Some things are not debatable, such as many of the things you post. If there is evidence to the contrary and it is clear what you are saying is meant to manipulate and deceit people who are unwilling to further investigate, what is the point of debating? You are the one that is unwilling to debate. Look at my previous post. Instead of debating a point that is clearly explained, you move on. This is standard practice for you. If something you post is discredited you simply post another theory, instead of discussing why your post may be false or misleading.

 

We've already been through the Madrid claim. The building suffered a partial collapse and it wasn't even struck by an aircraft. The demolition advocates need to stop spreading misinformation about these things and start doing some research before making such claims.

In any event, whether or not one building collapsed doesn't dictate the outcome of another building. Madrid and the towers were different buildings of different design and different circumstances.



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The Windsor had a large concrete transfer slab near the 20th floor. You can tell where it was at by where the collapse was arrested. If it weren't for that, the main floors would have continued to pancake to the ground like the wtc towers.

If you look carefully at the videos of the south wtc tower, part of the core was still standing briefly after the main floors had pancaked to the ground. It looked similar to that pic of the Windsor above.

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Core of south tower after main floors had pancaked to the ground.



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Shaggie Im sorry man but I question the validity of these photos you come on here with, I have researched tons of 911 photographs and videos and i have never seen the ones you post. Can you provide me with the site your getting these from?

 

I mentioned some of it before. There are videos from the Nova and TLC documentaries, which showed the core of the south tower and the spire of the north tower and other good video. There are also excellent videos by Steve Spak who was next to WTC6 on 911. He took some video of WTC7 while it was burning during the day.

There's also good data in the NIST report and elsewhere of the structure of the towers and WTC7.

The photos of the Windsor in Madrid are readily available on the web.

Much of what I've posted doesn't show up on conspiracy sites because it contradicts their claims.

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Another video of the WTC7 by Steve Spak. All of that smoke is coming out of the south side of WTC7.

wmv9 format (300kb)

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7d.wmv

mpg vcd format (1mb)

http://home.flash.net/~lauras34/wtc7evce.mpg

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That looks fake.Did you get this off Bill O'Reillys web site?9/11 was an inside job, get over it,and come to the forces of good.

 

Yeh seriously shagie, your such an agent, look at the extent he goes to disprove what's already confirmed by anyone with a brain. And I don't doubt that he would fake pictures, hey shaggie why don't you supply me with a non-government website that hosts these pictures.

 

Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996-2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982-1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.

• Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit access to White House documents], I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised." http://www./...
• Salon Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com/...
• Resigned from the 9/11 Commission, 12/03
• Transcript of audio interview 3/23/04: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org/...
• Bio: http://memory.loc.gov/...

Senator Mark Dayton - Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services. U.S. Senator from Minnesota.

• Senate Hearings on the 9/11 Commission Report 7/31/04: "They [NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission. ... For almost three years now NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history." http://www.911truth
• Editor's comment: On August 1, 2006, Thomas Kean, Chairman of the 9/11 Commission said, "We, to this day, don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us. It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied." Link Astonishingly, in this matter of grave national importance, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
• Article: "Dayton, a former Minnesota state auditor, called the FAA's and NORAD's failures "the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence that I've ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed in the public sector." http://www.9111
• Bio: http://dayton.senate.gov/about/biography.cfm

Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993-2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

• Wall Street Journal Essay 11/17/05: "Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. … No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate." http://www.opin/...
• Bio: http://www.fbi.gov/libref/directors/freeh.htm

Edward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977-80). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.

• Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
  
  
  
  "We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
  • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
  • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
  • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
  • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ...
  
  
  
• Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Peck

Morton Goulder – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter (1973-77). Founder of Sanders Associates.

• Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
  
  
  
  "We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
  • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
  • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
  • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
  • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article. ...

Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

• Video: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. … We can prove that the government’s story is false." http://video.goo...
• Essay: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...
• Bio: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=bio

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.

• Essay: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...
• Essay: "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations." http://www.counterpunc....
• Bio: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/bio.htm

Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co

• Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11 "The official story could not possibly have happened... It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45 minutes into the file.) http://157....
• Essay: "The first category of people who benefited were those who are guilty and complicit in designing, implementing and financing the 9-11 operation. On such a sophisticated and successful covert operation, the people responsible would have had budgets and financing and would have organized the operation to maximize their political and financial benefits." http://globalresearch.ca/...
• Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article ...
• Bio: http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html

Fred Burks – Former State Department Interpreter for Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Al Gore, Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright. 18-year State Department career.

• Essay: "How is it possible that our military's highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.? …
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  An even bigger question is why isn't our media asking these questions? Why isn't our military spending many millions of dollars to find out why military defense systems failed on 9/11? Why is it that the 9/11 commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Challenger Disaster or even the Monika Lewinsky affair?"http://www.wanttoknow.info/911star...
• Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/...

Daniel Ellsberg, PhD - Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense. Former State Department envoy to Viet Nam. While working for the government, Ellsberg attained the ultimate civil service grade of GS-18, equivalent to a Major General. Former U.S. Marine Corps officer. Former military analyst for the Rand Corporation. Most well known for leaking the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971.

• Interview 7/14/06: Regarding 9/11 "There is no question in my mind, that there is enough evidence to justify a very comprehensive and hard hitting investigation of the kind we have not seen. With subpoenas, general questioning of people, releasing a lot of documents. There’s no question that very serious questions have been raised about how much they knew before hand and how much involvement there may have been." http://www.infowars
• Bio: http://www.ellsberg.net/bio.html

Philip J. Berg, Esquire – Former Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania.

• Article: "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie." http://www.americanfreepress.net/...
• Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
  
  
  
  "We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
  • An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
  • Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
  • Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
  • The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...
  
  
  
• Bio: http://www.911forthetruth.com/...

U.S. MILITARY OFFICERS Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981-84. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

• Video: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" http://www.und ...
• Bio: http://www.canadiansub.com/Board....

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990-1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C.

• Article: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." http://www.pris/...
• Bio: http://www.firstprinciplespress.org/...

 

Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).

* Video: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. …











Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney. I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder." http://video.go...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...
* Bio: http://bowman2006.com/about....

Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. 34-year Air Force career.

* Essay: "The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …







With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …







As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history." http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson....

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project.

* Article: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf....

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777 ’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC).

* Article: "The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 270 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn." …







"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying." http://www.arcticbeacon.com....
* Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. "The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...







It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." http://911underground.com/.../

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Chief of the Army’s controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the ABLE DANGER effort to target Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. 23-year military intelligence career.

* Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee 2/15/06 (page 18) - “After contact by two separate members of the ABLE DANGER team, … the 9-11 staff refused to perform any in-depth review of investigation of the issues that were identified to them. … It was their job to do a thorough investigation of these claims – to not simply dismiss them based on what many now believe was a “preconceived” conclusion to the 9-11 story they wished to tell. … I consider this a failure of the 9-11 staff – a failure that the 9-11 Commissioners themselves were victimized by – and continue to have perpetrated on them by the staff as is evidenced by their recent, groundless conclusion that ABLE DANGER’s findings were “urban legend”. http://www.abledan...
* Bio: http://www.c4ads.org/anthony.shaffer...




Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran.

* Essay: "Reading through the official 9/11 report, I quickly lost my focus – apparently emulating the 9/11 commission over the past 20 months. …One wonders if the entire commission wasn't secretly replaced by pod people from the old Soviet Central Committee. I naively expected more constructive and useful information in the report." http://www.lewrockwell.com/...
* Bio: http://militaryweek.com/...t

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) - Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence. Currently, professor of history and international relations at the University of Maryland.

* Congressional testimony 8/15/05: "It falls to me this morning to bring to your attention the story of Saeed Sheikh, whose full name is Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, and his astonishing rise to power in Al Qaeda, his crucial role in 9/11, which is completely, utterly, missing from the 9/11 Commission report…











The 9/11 Commission which studied US intelligence and law enforcement community performance in great detail, (maybe not so much great detail, but they did), neglected to cover the community’s performance during the weeks following the attacks to determine who was responsible for them, not a word about that in the Report.











The Report does discuss the immediate US responses but the immediate investigation is never addressed, and anyone who has closely studied the post-9/11 investigation knows that the first breakthrough came two weeks into the investigation when the money transfers from the United Arab Emirates to the hijackers were uncovered.











Furthermore, if you have studied that investigation, you know there is no disputing that while investigators may have struggled with the identity of the paymaster, they were clear about one thing, he was Al Qaeda’s finance chief. For this reason alone you have to ask why the 9/11 Commission Report never mentions the finance chief’s role as the 9/11 paymaster." http://www.911readingroo

Major Scott Ritter, U.S. Marine Corps – Former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer and Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq 1991-1998.

* Video: "I, like the others, are frustrated by the 9/11 Commission Report, by the lack of transparency on the part of the United States government, both in terms of the executive branch and the legislative branch when it comes to putting out on the table all facts known to the 9/11 case." http://video.go...

Barbara Honegger – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present). White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981-83).

* Essay: "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC2, and in WTC7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ... A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building. Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system." http://blog.lege....

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

* Statement: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC1, 2, and 7, the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ... Link to full statement

 

U.S. INTELLIGENCE SERVICES VETERANS Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

* Video: "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke. The question is: What’s being covered up? Is it gross malfeasance, gross negligence, misfeasance? … Now there are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions. … I just want to reassert, what Scott [Ritter, former Major in the U.S. Marines Corps, former Chief Weapons Inspector for the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq] said and this is the bottom line for me, just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11. The cynical way in which he played on our trauma, used it to justify attacking, making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11. That suffices for me, I think Scott is exactly right, that’s certainly an impeachable offense." http://video.google...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11. http://www.911truth.org/...
* Bio: http://faculty.schreiner.edu/...

William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

* Essay: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." http://www.dissidentvoice.org...
* Article: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too," said Christison. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." http://www.prisonplanet.com/...

Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations.

* Congressional testimony 7/22/05: "I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission." http://www.house.gov/...
* Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:



"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
o An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
o Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
o Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
o The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...



* Bio: http://ciponline.org/biographies....

Robert Baer – Former CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations. Awarded Career Intelligence Medal. 21-year CIA veteran. Author of two nonfiction books about CIA operations, See No Evil and Sleeping with the Devil


* Audio Interview 6/9/06: Thom Hartmann: "Are you of the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?"



Baer: "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it."



Hartmann: "And why is it not being investigated?"



Baer: "Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anybody been held accountable for 9/11? We held people accountable after Pearl Harbor. Why has there been no change in command? Why have there been no political repercussions? Why has there been no, any sort of exposure on this? It really makes you wonder." http://www.911blogger.com/...
* Essay: "Did bin Laden act alone, through his own al-Qaida network, in launching the attacks? About that I'm far more certain and emphatic: no." http://books.guardian.co....
* Bio: http://www.concertideas.com/...

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

* Letter to 9/11 Commission: "I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations." http://www.com...

Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness before the 9/11 Commission.

* Video transcript: Regarding the 9/11 Commission "The best I could say about it is they really botched the job by not really going into the real failures. … At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous. And if you look at what the word "treason" means in the Webster’s Dictionary, it’s a betrayal of a trust." http://www.911report.com...




Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and security veterans:

"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the [9/11 Commission] report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations." http://www.pogo.org/m/hsp/...


Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CA.

John M. Cole– Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.18-year FBI career.

David "Mark" Conrad – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.

Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.

Bogdan Dzakovic, Bogdan Dzakovic – 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (See also individual quote above.)

Sibel D. Edmonds – Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and
counterintelligence operations, FBI. Witness before the 9/11 Commission. (See also individual quote above.)

Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy Seal.

David Forbes– Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analysts, BoydForbes, Inc.

Melvin A. Goodman– Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual quote above.)

Mark Graf– Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.

Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.

Diane Kleiman– Former Special Agent, US Customs.
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual quote above.)

Lynne A. Larkin– Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.

David MacMichael – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps 10-year military service.

Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual quote above.)

Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.

Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism
and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.

Brian F. Sullivan– Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.

Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret)– Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.

Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.

John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.

Dr. Fred Whitehurst – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001.

Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory





I think these people have a little more expertise than Shaggie the shill. Why don't you listen to people with experience and knowledge of the issues, not shaggie. I guess all these people are just conspiracy theorists right shaggie?