9/11 conspiracy- Don't know what to think.

You've been dodging the question for too long. Its obvious you can't prove it, if you did could you would have done it by now.

Like Rat, you can't back up what you say so you just accuse anyone who proves you wrong of being cointelpro.

 

I am so amazed there are so many that believe all this crap that the government is some how responsible for 9/11. Please get a life.

 

Someone's did it... Maybe even Bush's brother? Nobody likes them in fact. Who liked Hitler? Of course not counting patriots...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7131244136488064715&q=ron+&ei=6Q9pSJewCYzejALI49ln&hl=pl

Ok, if even they didn't planned that specially they made it by theirs ignorance. I mean they kept attacking other nations, are sending spies, hacking not subordinated economies, acting followed by presumptions not by facts...

So let's say that it was their bad karma which hit back USA society.

Can you imagine that you're killing Indians in Amazons forest only by using cars, etcetera... ? You don't need even to have a contact with them. You disturbed the weather so they have droughts like never...

'Terrorists'? You mean these angry Muslims who have so much anger to Americans? You think they are jealous about your freeeeedom? Or welth? Nope. They are angry because you changed they way of life, overused natural sources, put attacks on their religion and many more...

 

Come off it.
If only that were true.
I think you are confusing a wide specrum of people and groups.
Islamic terrorists are all over the world battling all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.
What did the Indonesians do?
What did the people in Kenya do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TerroristAttacksAlQaeda.png
If you can type in "Islamic Terrorism" into google, or go to your local library and read about "Islamic Terrorism", then still say "it is our fault" - you deserve some sort of medal.


"Jihad and the rifle alone. NO negotiations, NO conferences and NO dialogue."

--Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, Join The Caravan

http://www.islamistwatch.org/

 

Investigation almost showed that Saddam didn't supported their activity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_link_allegations
But it always was sure that the CIA in fact created them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaeda
But YOU are not CIA and CIA is not YOU -> you are not supporting terrorism and narcotic wars...

 

If this is directed my way -

I never said he did.

No, I think it was Abdullah Yusuf Azzam
Have you any Idea how many mujahideen fighters there were back then?
OBL was but one of many young people there.
The fact that he then went onto join Al-Quaeda is a very tenuos link between Al-Quaeda and the CIA.

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that part:
"Following the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Army, the United States gave several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents fighting the Soviet Army and Afghan Marxist government in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen (fighters of jihad or "holy warriors") were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as "Afghan Arabs". The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs.
As the war neared its end, bin Laden organized the al-Qaeda organization to carry on armed jihad in other venues, primarily against the United States, the country that had helped fund the mujahideen against the Soviets."
By the way. Where is the social help for Afghan people?

 

I think it's pretty funny. Somehow the government is powerful enough to stage one of the biggest conspiracies in history but not powerful enough to prevent a group of people on the Internet from spreading the "truth."

 

You're certainly going to have to come up with a better retort than that. There are in fact architects, enginners, and other people in the upper echelons of society who are calling for a new, independent investigation into what took place on 9/11. Telling people to "get a life" is hollow, at best.

Check out www.patriotsquestion911.com for starters.

Your ignorance is showing at the seams and is mighty pathetic. Luckily though, more and more people are beginning to wake up from their corporate-media fed trance.

 

I missed your post. Sorry. What you posted is pretty much what I said.
The difference is OBL did not start Al-Quaeda, he joined shortly after its conception. Rising to the top quickly.

http://afghanistan.usaid.gov/en/index.aspx

http://www.wfp.org/operations/curre...oject.asp?section=5&sub_section=7&country=004

 

I believe, just off the top of my head, that two passenger airliners were flowing into both of the world trade center towers, one into the pentagon, and one was brought down probably by the acts of the passengers within.

If someone wants to discuss this from a scientific and logical standpoint, I'll be happy to contribute a lot to that discussion. But until everyone stops shouting random points at each other and linking to obviously biased information I've got nothing more to say.

 

Two passenger airlines certainly appears to hit the towers, and I can't think of an explanation to dispute that point.
However we have arguements of whether this is enough to bring the towers down, and all we have is bin Laden's word ('I didn't do it') against Bush's ('he did do it'). And in all honesty I would trust neither of them as far as I could throw them.

One did also vanish from the skies and must have either been brought down by people inside the plane or shot down or blown up.
The fact that very little plane was found afterwards suggests, to me at least, that it was blown up. It's possible to go further and say it was a set-up and the plane went somewhere else and it was made to look like it blew up but that's speculation. What is fact to me, is that, if there is very little plane, it can't have been a crash. No bodies. Must have been more than just a crash, surely?


As for the pentagon... again, very little plane found. Hole was small. Too small for a passenger plane. Not a chance in hell that we've been told the truth there. Camera film all mysteriously hidden from public view. I believe it could either have been a smaller plane or a missile. If this is the case, which, considering the evidence, it must be, what happened to the plane that reported hit it?

 

This is the problem though, you have just repeated something that is not true. The whole was not too small. You have been looking at a picture with the wrong information to explain it. Probably arguing a point debunked in 2004-5-6. But then, gosh, I might be wrong.
Cue, endless toing and throwing of mind boggling distortions/contortions of the truth and lies.

But, that is the problem here.
It depends on who you wish and what you wish to believe.

 

I haven't got some 'agenda', I don't wish to believe anyone or anything. So please don't make assertions and claim that that is the problem here.

Certainly, the plane could have gone through the hole, as far as I am aware. But this would be not including the wings. And unless you can give me a satisfactory reason why these wings didn't A. cause any damage to the sides of the Pentagon when they were broken off, and B. how they managed to vapourise into nothing.

If you're only going to respond by saying I'm repeating lies, then please don't bother to respond, because if you can't refute my point you have no business bullshitting it.

 

I did not say you had an agenda.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?i...ges?q=pentagon+hole+too+small&um=1&hl=en&sa=N
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html
There are literally hundreds of sources of information to show that it is perfectly possible and evidentially apparent that the whole was not too small.
As far as I am aware, the "whole to small theory" started because the pictures used to highlight this "fact" were of the whole at the end of the crash instead of the beginning (the front of the building).
If you can show me clear picture of a small whole at the front of the Pentagon, fine.

Lets not forget the Pentagon is no ordinary building.
We are not going to get a whole like Roger Rabbit hitting those blinds, are we.

And what refutes this:

Fair enough, I hope I have.
I did not say you were lying.
I said, you have just repeated something that is not true.
It probably came across (my post) as a little condescending, so, I apologise.

 

Yeah, 4 shots that in fact shows nothing - that's all what all mighty, truth loving, overbrighting CIA leaved to people. All other videos from gas stations and from people were taken and those were silenced under torture and harm to families warnings. Just like in China. Toćka w toćkę!! CIA should be assumed guilty and disbanded for shooting into themself with long distance missiles.

 

Its funny how often people throw that link at me. For one, several of the people on there don't think 911 was a conspiracy, but they have been put on there anyway. Secondly, patriots? Are Russian generals patriots? Of their own country anyway, but so what? The web site is a joke.

But there was lots of debris and body parts/DNA evidence (all passengers were identified).

 

I'm responding to the notion "the whole is too small".
Not about anything else.
So calm down a little, please.

 

you guys, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CONSPIRANCY AGAINT EVEYTHING! we can never know the real truth because we weren't there. PEople always doubt everything that happen and twist aroudn stuff, we all knwo this happened and i don't think Bush is cruel enough to kill innocent peopel just like that, he seems dumb, but not cruel enough.
Talking about conspirancy, what about the books written againtst americans that flew to the moon. They did you guys, and thats how it will be put in history books! You please just belive what they say until its WORLD proven THAT IT WAS like that or wasn't, if everyone will always mess around and put bunch of conspirancy people want know what to belive.

 

You're right, we shouldn't muddy the waters. God forbid people should have to make up their own minds.