9/11 American Scholars Symposium aired on C-SPAN

Very questionable info such as bringing up points that have absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, but are presented to make viewers subconciously question the events of 9/11 without actually providing any factual information? I am confused, sometimes I get the feeling like what you claim to know is bullshit.....

 

You guys all try to claim they allude to things that have nothing to do with 9/11 but that's crap. A government document that says they would blow up airliners, blame it on cuba so they could have a war with them, even if it was written in the 60's, is still relevent to 911 because it shows elements of our government are willing to pull off their own terror attacks, blame them on their enemies who are trying to avoide a war, and attack them.

You guys also try to say that the remote control planes thing has nothing to do with 9/11...now I don't know what happened that day, there very well could have been hijackers, I don't discount that, but the fact that planes can be flown via remote control should be known to most people so they could atleast open their minds to the possibility that maybe that is what happened on 9/11...not conclusive of anything but it's something that will keep you thinking, if you ever talked to the average person about remote control planes he would think you were a cook, but it's admitted that you can do it.

I would like to see what else you see in that movie that doesn't have to do directly with 9/11.

 

The fact that the towers pancaked has never been abandoned by NIST or any other scientific group. The main floors of the towers pancaked. It's clear from the video.

The Windsor in Madrid that Lodui posted and the WTC south tower showed some similarities in the way the main floors collapsed.

The Windsor suffered a partial collapse, although it's usually not mentioned on conspiracy sites. This pic shows the main floors between the central core and perimeter columns that had collapsed. The mechanical floors about ten stories down from the top of the building managed to arrest the collapse. The core is seen in the top 10 stories.




A similar thing happened with the WTC south tower. The main floors between the core and perimeter columns pancaked all the way down to the ground level and left a portion of the core standing briefly. The core collapsed a few seconds later.


Video still of south core at end of main collapse. The north tower is on the right.






Video still with graphics highlighting position of the core.




Another photo of the south tower core taken from NJ after the main floors had already pancaked to the ground level. The core stood on its own for only a few seconds then collapsed.




There was also a portion of the core remaining in the north tower after the main floors had pancaked to the ground. It's not as complete as what remained on the south core and is known as the spire, basically a few of the core columns that looked like a church steeple.

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Shaggie that is an outright lie, there was no more of the core left after the towers collapsed, and many of the steel bemas were sliced in half, jet fuel could not have done this, you are such a shill and it really makes me thing your out hear desseminating false statements about 911 truth for a reason. People, do not listen to this shill shaggie or me, go out and look for yourself, look at the collapse of WTC7, look at the collapse of the towers, look at how the bush administration from on high ordered the FBI not to arrest any of the patsies, our republic is being lost here people and shaggie and the rest of them are trying to pull you aside and tell you to "keep moving, nothing to see here"...shaggie is nothing but part of the establishment which would love you not to investigate 911. Think for yourselves and investigate, don't take either of us at our word. I am here trying to open up people and ask questions while all shaggie is doing is trying to supress the questions I ask and sway you away from making up your own mind, don't give in to his tricks. Before you go believing him at every word he says, ask yourself this...if people within OUR government did 9/11 would you want to know? would you believe it and let yourself realize the world is not as it seems, or would you take the proverbial blue pill like shaggie? Shaggie, no matter what kind of mindless propaganda you put up, the truth is on our side, and more and more people are waking up everyday to this, so you are losing.

 

does anyone remember "the gulf of tonkin incident" when american warships sailed around in circles firing at the waves. this was the cause for the war on vietnam. history repeats itself.

 

I just posted video and stills of the south core and people still want to deny it.

Some of the conspiracy groups out there are claiming that the government blew up what was left of the core with CD. One is actually claiming that the govt used space weapons to disintegrate what was left of the core (it looked dusty when it fell over, so they claim the govt evaporated it with space weapons).

Once again, there is the truther's claim that 'something other' supposedly caused it with no argument or evidence.

The wall bowed in gradually over 20 minutes during the fires then buckled, starting the collapse. Nothing mysterious.

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One more of the remains of the south core from the east side after the main floors had pancaked all the way down.



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Take a look at the angle clips used in the towers (red arrows). These are what were holding up the main floors!




That type of connection has no chance of withstanding the force of up to 15 to 30 floors or more falling as a unit and impacting it. That's why you see large sections of the outer perimeter wall peeling away during the collapse as the main floors pancaked right past the perimeter walls.

It's also why you see large sections of perimeter wall after the collapse was finished that were stripped completely clean of the main floors that had pancaked past them (see next photo).



The red circles show the splices of the perimeter columns that were staggered in groups of threes. You can see that they failed easily. The groups are seen going diagonally like a staircase. The columns were held together vertically by bolts which snapped easily when stressed. Most of the perimeter columns didn't even get a chance to bend.

The weak splices are also the reason so many columns ended up exactly 3 stories long.

No controlled demolition or thermite, just snapped splice bolts and failed angle clips. The design saved the builders some money but had the drawback of not being robust during a critical situation like an aircraft strike and ensuing fire.

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That photo has clearly been doctored. Who would have climbed up that wall and placed those red circles there as to say "look at the failed joint, there is no controlled demolition here"? Very convenient. Are you a government shill? The only way those circles could have been placed there is if somebody flew down while there was still much dust in the air and placed those circles on the perimeter wall. This would have had to have been done with some type of invisible aircraft, and the only people with that technology is the US government. These photos are clearly evidence of a government coverup.

 

wow you guys are hilarious...the fact is lots of companies had lots of evidence in those buildigs of HUGE corporate crimes and they needed to come down, once you realize 911 was an inside job you understand they needed to have the buildings come down for financial and coverup reasons. The fact that the building was built in a not so perfect way means nothing, they was still a steel column and jet fuel does not melt steel i don't care what any of you guys say, that's a fact. Why can you leave your stove on all day at tempetures reaching the same amount and your stove doesn't melt? because fire doesnt cause steel to melt. You guys are both such shills i really don't have time to bother with you anymore...everone go research 9/11 and don't just watch loose change, actually investigate it, i would start with www.8thestate.com, it was a website started by a man who workedin the towers, was an eyewitness to the entire attack, and has done extensive research on the subject, I would say only 10% of his evidence is physical, the rest are colrd hard facts and connections, go research it yourself and don't listen to shaggie the biggest shill on the forums.

 

Yeah, question why so many there in those days during and after the 11th suffer from cancer and other illnesses.... sketchyyy

 

If anyone wants to see a good movie on the controlled demolitions aspect of this...they should watch 9/11 mysteries.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

 

Well most of those people really are suffering from many lung problems because of the dust that sorrounded manhatten that day. that same dust that christie whitman swore was "safe to breathe"...if these people are willing to let the hero firefighters of NY slowly die from lung depletion, do you think they would give two thoughts about 3,000 cubicle workers? Now dont take me out of context, i think the majority of those people who worked in the towers were good people and did not deserve to die, just so happens a lot of the CEOS just happened to take off work that day, like Warren Buffet.

 

That movie was well produced and entertaining. It really makes you think and leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Unfortunately that is about all it does, is provide unanswered questions. Without worry, most of the points you are lead to believe in the movie can be refuted with a moderate amount of research. It is irresponsible to pass judgement after watching a movie with such a lack of scientific evidence. I did enjoy the movie however, as do I most of the 9/11 "conspiracy" flicks. At some points in the movie I even had to chuckle at the narators idiotic comments.

 

ok awesome I don't really care about your opinion. Im trying to offer this movie for people who have an open mind and want to learn the truth, not people who watch 9/11 conspiracy movies for "entertainment".

 

Did anyone see South Park last night? It said the American Government was not behind 9/11, but they are behind the conspiracy theories that they were behind 9/11! In other words, they want people to suspect that they were behind it all, otherwise we'd suspect that the government is NOT all-powerful!

Oh, and they also said that people who actually believe the American Government was behind 9/11 are retarded.

 

I wouldn't go that far. Gullible, yes. AngleHeadedHipster actually provided a valuable link that shows people who believe the government was behind 9/11 are more likely to have only a highschool education.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
Scripps Howard News Service
(Paraphrased)"The poll found that people with only a high school education and Democrats were especially likely to suspect federal involvement in 9/11."

 

The structure of the towers does matter. It's part of the reason why they collapsed.

The melted steel claims keep coming up on truther sites although there's never been any evidence that the steel melted. It's an unjustified claim that people like to make to trick people into thinking something really unusual happened, like molten steel, and then use it as a basis to make even more unsubstantiated claims, such as the government planted thermite in the towers.

Someone will bring up the Jones claim again about molten steel. That piece of steel didn't melt at the melting point of steel. It formed a eutectic of iron oxide and iron sulfide which depressed its melting point to about 600C to 800C and the steel partly eroded away at the temperature range of a hydrocarbon fire. That sulphidation process is well known in industry where it has degraded smokestacks well below the melting point of steel.

That steel specimen had a signature that was very different than steel melted at 1500C by thermite. Unfortunately, a lot of people have been misled about this by Jones who doesn't have expertise in materials science.

The steel lost most of its strength during the fires. There's no reason to believe that it had to melt in order for the towers to collapse. We've been through this many times already.

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Don't the majority of people have only a highschool education?