84 acre commune looking for people!!!

I would imagine this is a dead thread. As a start up community the design was for
failure there are buildings and resources but the concept is flawed
Plant gardens to earn but nothing to eat wait what. OK that aside if
Even looking at it as just a farm 15 hours a week of work if you're 25 people
Deep is OK but if your 6 or so not so good. The land owner is a neat lady
With lots of stories of the 60&70s but that's about thelimit. It was a place
Of stress and constant friction. I spent thebetter part of a year there
Less a 3 month stay in Texas (Ugg in jail ofcourse) returning to a place that
Was not what I had left new people had shown up ( good thong right) not so
Much. Good people for sure but the place had devidedin to two camps.
At that point I couldn't get out quick enough even if that ment going back to
Main streaming off I went to nationals in Washington and have found myself in Oregon at a)
Great place full of love and light where we work for eachother not ourselves.
So in closing if community living is what u really want as nice as everyone tried to
Be this place misses the mark by a long shot keep looking. Be well all

 

Glad ta' hear you landed somewhere nice. Hope you're close enough to the Coast to do a bit of Crabbing LG.
Looking for an RV park in need of a handyman out that way if you hear of one in need.

 

No Acid? What the hell is this; communist America!?


.....Oh, wait, wtf?

 

Ok..
All you turd heads hammering on Sam & the farm, dig this:
I know all fucking about you, because I *helped* some of you not only *get* there, I fed your lazy fucking asses & bought your fucking drinks while you basically shit on a great opportunity to actually *build* something, instead of jerking off to your delusional assessments of your own greatness.

Two questions, and then some facts, assholes (and yes, if you can't deal with it, stay the fuck away, because we are ****tired**** or the bullshit artists & weak-willed flakes from this forum that keep trying to populate a subsistance farm in the hopes of a free ride filled with butterflies & fucking rainbows..)

1) WHICH OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS HAS PUT UP $250,000 (POSSIBLY MUCH, MUCH MORE) TO MAKE A LOG HOUSE AND 84 ACRES AVAILABLE TO THE DREAM OF A COMMUNE???

ANSWER??

NOT ***ONE*** OF YOU..

you assholes couldn't even properly work, when I was there, & Royal, close your fucking mouth, because you didn't "leave" WE HAD TO KICK YOUR USELESS ASS ***OFF*** THE FARM, AND NEARLY CALLED THE COPS TO DO IT.

you lying, turd-mouthed asshole..

2) HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY HAD *****JOBS***** WHEN YOU CAME TO THE FARM???

Not a fucking ONE of you.. you came in, most of you penniless, or near penniless AND SAM OPENED HER ***HOUSE*** TO YOU...
Fuck.. you fucking ingrates..

nobody is going to suck your fucking dicks because you want to lay inside all day instead of do a few things that need to be done ****WITHOUT EXCEPTION OR EXCUSE****..

FEED THE FUCKING ANIMALS!!!

That was the main fucking task.. about 45 minutes to 1 hour a day, without question, failure or excuse, AND DO IT WITHOUT BEING REMINDED OR FUCKING CHASED DOWN...

you shitheads...

You came to a SUBSISTANCE farm, assholes..

OFF-GRID..

Guess what?

cutting firewood for YOUR or COMMUNAL meals, or to heat hot water for YOUR baths or cleaning up or DOING DISHES or LAUNDRY or COOKING or whatever the fuck else it is that needs to be done to keep you shit sagged asses ALIVE does NOT.. repeat *****DOES NOT**** count as FARM WORK!!!

DON'T LIKE IT???

FUCKING ***LEAVE****...

don't bitch about how much work she is making you slave to do, just to keep your asses warm.. you fucking IDIOTS... you said you WANTED a place away from fucking babylon, and now when you have it??

you go back to sucking her tit.

go fuck yourselves.

Dig this:

Royal? I spent $300 on getting you to the farm.. you gave me this crying boohoo story about how mean your boss was to you & how he was ripping you off & how you needed to get somewhere else and I SENT you 200, directly, which you spent on SOMETHING ELSE other than the ticket we had agreed it was for.. THEN, after you fucked THAT up, I sent sam ANOTHER $100 to help you get there.. YOU DIDN"T EVEN HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET YOUR ASS THERE ON YOUR OWN...

fucking idiot..

i could go on about the fucking messes that you left behind.. do you know that every single one of your incomplete "projects" has been fucking dismantled and thrown away?
you keep talking about all this knowledge you have, but you & i both know it's just RECITATION...

you don't actually *DO* anything...

you just open your mouth about how great & smart you are, and expect people to love you for the turds that fall out..

NOTHING you started regarding any of these alternative technology projects or you fucking "clay" crap or whatever it was you decided was the most important waste of fucking jerk-off time that particular week, did you ever complete.
Fuck, man.. i even stood up for you about your fucking charcoal fantasy, & BOUGHT you the fucking parts you said you needed, and HELPED you roll shit into place, and guess what?? After it stood rusting? I had no desire to see your sorry ass around any more.

You are a fucking internet junky, & you know it.
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON A FARM WITH 48kpb *****DIAL UP*****, when you need a fucking babylonian mainline for 6 to 8 hours or more a day???

WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH AN ASSHOLE THAT WHEN SOMEONE IS SLEEPING YOU NEED TO HAVE THE MONITOR ON FROM 9 PM TO 3 AM??

YOU HAD YOUR ****OWN**** FUCKING ROOM, ASSHOLE!!! WHY MAKE SHIT HARD FOR OTHERS BECAUSE OF ****YOUR***** FUCKING ADDICTION???

We not only kicked you out, buddy, but my opinion was that we should have just taken you on a ride to lynchburg & just leave you fucking out there near the homeless shelter.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE FARM IS NOT THE FARM ****OR**** SAM.. other than that she keeps opening her doors to people who can't take care of themselves..
she's been running a relief and rescue mission, more than anything..
teddy lived in a fucking tent during the winter, and sam brought her in... why is teddy pissed?
probably because she wants an easy fucking life..

WAKE UP SHIT HEADS...

LIFE IS HARD...

Not hard as in pointless or that things can't be done, BUT IF YOU DON"T WANT TO WORK, STAY THE FUCK AWAY & SHUT THE FUCK UP.

TAKE YOUR FUCKING DRUGS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

if you want to do them more than farm, fine, but don't bitch because it's an upfront condition & you lie about your usage to get in..

we all know the man is fucked up.
we all know it sucks that you can be thrown in jail OR YOUR HOUSE AND PROPERTY CONFISCATED..

& fuck you if you think it's so fucking weak to set the rule down that controlled substances are not allowed.

YOU go earn what it takes to put together an 84 acre farm with 3 fucking buildings AND try & help the people who had lived there before AND other people in an economically depressed area...

you fucking shits.

& AJ?? aka ha ha.. 'spiritwynd'..

what the FUCK are you doing bringing boxfulls of video games, porn and all the other crap you left behind??

you SOUND fucking drug addled, so good fucking riddance to you, too..

the stories i have heard about YOU are probably true, given the shit i have seen that you left behind..

what the FUCK are you doing taking a turd like that on someone's property & then bitching at them because they don't want it there???

don't fucking answer, because you know what?

the only turds that will drop out of your mouth are excuses.

Charley poo???

you know.. you used to talk about killing people & shooting them, & about putting up fucking sniper points for when armageddon comes..

someone disagrees with you about the existence of God, so you hate them??

good fucking riddance.

yeah, you thought i was a nice guy, etc., & i was willing to let things remain non-judgmental, because yes, jessica is a hate filled bitch ALSO talks about how much other people should be punished because they don't agree with her, but you know what?

you opened your fucking 60 year old mouth bitching about a 19 year old, because.. OMG.. she says she hates god!!!!

every single one of you shits were too self-centered to really come together to make the place work..

you want a home or a community?

then get your asses up & do the work needed...

something needs to be done??

FUCKING DO IT!!!

don't whine about how it isn't your job, or wasn't agreed to or you don't feel like it or how you were waiting...

just fucking get it done & stop being shits.

get your asses up out of bed, like you need to on a farm, get your shit done, & then use the rest of your day for what YOU want to do..

projects that may benefit others???

****************GREAT*******************

but guess what, asshole?

especially when they go uncompleted???

THEY DON'T COUNT AS FARM WORK

jesus..


anyways..

here's the gig for al the people who say they want to come here:

this plac is rough.

lots of beauty, a lot of fun that can be had, and a LOT of work to do..

there are *********NO*********** rainbows & butterflies, ok?

sam can be hard to communicate with, she can be opinionated, and she can often be wrong, but you know what?

SHE IS THE FUCKING BOSS & THIS IS ****HER**** FUCKING PLACE...

she doesn't really lord it over anyone, but when there is a disagreement over technique or knowledge or whatever it is there is a disagreement with, if you can't swallow being wrong when you know you are right, then stay the fuck away.

the problem isn't *that* bad, if you can work things out reasonably, but if you're as thinned skinned as the peanut shits who whine & complain about it.. well.. yeah.. stay the fuck away..
we don't need you *or* want you.

the biggest problem, and i will say it again, & i have told sam repeatedly, is the caliber of the people she has allowed to try & make their way here..

i've been responsible for some of that, too, because i have believed shit people have told me, too, but we are ***tired*** of alcoholics, con-men & burnouts.

i think the lesson, however, has been learned.

for all the shits who think this is just a pointless rant and that there are a lot of fucked up, short sighted, politically incorrect & weak people on this farm who just want to make life miserable for other people..?

well, guess what?

YOUR RIGHT!!!!

& please, ok; ----STAY THE FUCK AWAY-----

we need no more fritzes, no more spiritwynies, no more checkpoint charlies, no more near schizophrenic bipolar insecurity complexes, no more assholes running from the law for truly stupid shit, no more dazed out fucking lazy deadheads (hard working, truly kind & reasonable deadheads, yes), no more kids who think "wow, this sounds like a place where i won't have to *do* anything!", & definitely, repeating it again, no more fucking alcoholics...

stay the fuck away.

we don't even *care* about the replies on this thread, really...

sam gets all kinds of inquiries, send emails & no one gets back to her, so it's all fucking academic..

i've been listening to people who think they are hip-forums resident geniuses jerk off into their own mouths, and i can't help but laugh at how they try & pain what they are into what they are not, so i really haven't spent a lot of time being concerned over it, but this post from aj just fucking tops it...

aj, you are fucking LUCKY sam is the kind of woman she is, because after the shit *you* pulled, there is no question at all that your shit would have all been taken to the dumpster & fucking tossed.

now.. if there are people who *want* to work, and who have the mind it takes to actually be able to perform some reasonably simple, though physically demanding tasks, on a daily basis, & whom are dependable, & are without a bunch of other issues they are hoping they will be able to hide from while here, then fine...

you are absolutely welcome to make your way here.

talk to sam & see what's up.

follow through..

in life you either accomplish what you are after or you come very close to dying, in the attempt.

anything else is failure.

the first leads *at least* to adventure, which is a success in itself...

the second is often no more than neediness & complacency.


this farm is not for the weak, & it is the weak you hear crying, because it is far, far easier to throw shit at something you have *failed* at, than to keep trying to make it become what you had hoped for.

every one of these moaning, pissing shits is right *back* where they started from..
in some fucking city or town, locked into some shit situation that is *****NOT**** a farm with animals, & open skies & trees & the worry of the hard winter ahead...

you know what is funny, though?

sam hardly ever posts on here..

it's like..

"why the *fuck* are they wasting their breath?"

anyways.. i have a life to live..

i'm tired of assholes, sam is tired of assholes, mike is tired of assholes...

i think we're at the point where we don't even care if people from here make any decisions based upon this thread or not, because it is *****exactly from this thread***** that we've had our worst experiences, soooo....

you know, whatever.

the people who can do it know whom they are.

the rest are meant for other things..

the ones who whine about the way it is are of no use to anyone, really, so we are fucking done here.

if anyone has real love & real balls & real wisdom, this place is great..
check it out, & have a way to get out on your own, if you don't like it, so you don't get stuck.

bring no drugs, dogs are welcome, and we will do what we can to help you get settled, if you decide to stay.

if you have any uncertainties about whether hardcore off-grid is for you, and you don't have enough money to be able to find something else for yourself if it doesn't work out after a week or two, then don't even try. This place is in the *boonies*, the nearest store being 3 miles away & the nearest town about 15..

There is now a lease that needs to be signed, because of the problems with leech-like behavior we've experienced from the people on here who whine so fucking hard.
We need no more fritz episodes, *ever*..

so there you go..

it isn't easy, but if you have the guts & the balls & the strength,

you may just find fucking love here..


peace,

john

 

WOW JOHN GREAT POST. I am not even from there or going there but i too know about the lazy peeps who call themselves hippies because they wear a tye dye shirt. I have been the lil red hen all my life. I finally gave up on other people except as you say it .. unless they can do real work and prodce and not just for their own butts...

wow i would like to copy paste your reply so when people respond to me i can email your reply to them to see if they truly want to get back to me or are truly afraid of doing work.

wow i am in awe and if i wasn't with my own farm i would join you three.

hugs D
http://directory.ic.org/22661/Central_Pa_Mountain_farm___for_Hip_open_minded_people

PS: Hip open minded people are HARD WORKERS AND NOT LAZY HIPPIES.. OH I AM A HIPPY WHO HAS BEEN DOING POSITIVE STUFF FOR THE WORLD ETC ETC ALL MY LIFE AND I AM STILL DOING IT

NOTE: JOHN check out these sites where many hard workers go

The following should help you and check out woofer positions at the www.twelvetribes.org check out their farming communities to find volunteer work


http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/classifieds



http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/opport



http://www.growfood.org/



http://reach.ic.org/postings/



http://www.growfood.org/posts/all

 

As always John, you leave me LMAO @ your nonsense.

I left that place of my own accord, if there was ever concern or worry over my not having left and discussions of calling the cops it would be typical for the type of backstabbing motherfuckers who huddled up around the "Boss and master" of the Working farm masquerading as a Commune or a Collective, and thats part of the problem.

I didn't finish anything because I knew I was leaving (See your comment about all that time I spent online and ask yourself wtf was I doing.)
And if the Monitor being on was so detrimental to your sleeping it was sure hard to notice over all your damn snoring. Lord knows you didn't hear me hitting the keys.

But you sure hit the nail on the head here (Bound to happen if you keep swinging now and then I suppose)

 

What kind of place has no butterflies and rainbows? ..............

I have to say Fritz answered a lot of posts here, I know I got some really lovely pm's telling me about the place-

Anyway I hope everyone feels better now and you can move on to good times and love :love: of living ...

 

you probably wouldn't fit.

 

Wow, Forget!!

Yeah!!!

Looks like you know what we mean.. I bet you & sam would probably get along pretty well..

i've been on the road a lot over the past couple of years.. a few major roadtrips, a short stint in alberta, canada.. i dunno.. 30,000 (?) traveling miles since late 2010..

right now i'm charging my $$ back up for the next run, otherwise i'd ask if i could visit.. def have to carry my own weight when i go anywhere..

i'l remember this post.. that buggy is AWESOME!!!!

it kind of inspires me to try woofing.. i've just worked, generally, saved up some buck & let the wind blow..

met many incredible people & a lot of shitheads, too..

doesn't take much to see how many excuse makers there are on this thread.. i imagine they're the ones with the most posts..

they need to get lives, instead of rotting their eyeballs on monitors...

anyways..

it was pretty sad that so much love & giving went into it, just to see it usurped..

when people don't see what is in front of them, often it is because they are angry at not seeing what they *want*, rather than appreciating & working with what they have...

that's why they will never be satisfied & always be tossing the blame for their own faults on others..

good people seldom give much criticism when good efforts are made, because good efforts are *always* usefull, & people who want to cooperate & sustain are always willing to try & understand how their work can become more effective..

i have ***never*** heard sam complain towards anyone for good efforts.. only for half-hearted ones, or critical things which were left undone.

anyways, thanks for the post & thanks for the links.. i'll use them..

: )

 

Yea yea yea John,,, sounds just great there how you paint it up over at Pete Seeger's Daughters farm,,,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4y-9RoMFU"]Bob Dylan - Maggie's Farm - YouTube

 

Dam straight I wouldn't fit, I would not want too- not many places on earth that don't have rainbows and butterflies

 

the point exactly

 

fritz, btw..

you're shit isn't even worth answering anymore..

a goddamn fucking waste of breath & fucking waste of thought..

 

Thats why we see nations of Starving people using my "fucking charcoal fantasy", the SAME SHIT I had hoped to clue you clueless shits in on,,, (And so you understand, this "Hillside method" of soil building is exactly what I had tried to get through your cracked skulls.)

http://haitireconstruction.ning.com...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=246965925417366

Quite simply put, I came, I saw, I left in my own good time.
WHY would I build you shits a Ceramics studio knowing full well that at any given moment after having done so, a Cabal of the Clueless would form to run off anyone who didn't play Circle jerk TILLING A GODDAMNED BED OF CLAY JUST BEFORE HEAVY RAIN with the rest of you?

P.S. Nice job you did of burning up that Tiller She had, would not have happened if you idgits had ever bothered to pick up a rake alongside ME and at least have 2"-3" of Forest Mulch to till into it.
It would have tiled in nicely and saved you or her another $400 on a new tiller.
But go ahead and keep adding Straw and Fresh Animal Manure, you'll make a lovely Adobe dwelling for someone someday with that Brick Mix...

So did I accomplish much while I was there in terms of My own plans? Nah, but I brought enough Stone Soup and plenty of Good food for thought to help out and get things moving in a progressive, collective manner but it would appear as though, like many do, you just Choked on it. :2thumbsup:

 

whatever you say, man..

 

First off, I NEVER abandoned anything, Sam knew full well I was coming back to get my stuff, but it took a while cuz I had a hard time finding work up here, I keep in contact with Sam about my stuff and was LIED to about how "safe" it was, but when I got back down there, more than half my stuff was stolen by all you people who were prolly told to help yourselves...Like I'd abandoned my $1000.00 guitar, amp, fx pedals,other stuff and personal items that I had since I was a kid.

Sam knew I had a lot of stuff, and the plan was to go through it to sell at the flea market, I gave her boxes to sell, but the market was so bad at the time nothing really sold, as for other stuff I brought, it was intended to help out people who needed a few things like camping equipment, clothes, blankets, or the several boxes of food that you people devoured. But alas, you helped yourself to it anyway, took my Mountain smith external frame pack and my camping stuff, and a list of other stuff that I had no intention on leaving.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH I CAN TAKE ON A BUS YA KNOW.

And I don't know what rumors you all made up about me, but I'm sure you entertained your drunken selves quite well.

As far as I'm concerned, me and Sam got along alright before you, Teddy, and Chuck got there... few disagreements, but overall ok.

I remember how you hung out with me until I ran out of money and low on supplies, then you went over to leech off Teddy when her settlement came in, then you started twisting facts to suit you whenever you wanted.
I separated myself from the group cuz I don't like being around drunken idiots who talk shit all day long...also remember that most of what you talked about was DRUGS...how to make them, past stories,etc. or that day(s) when you gathered Jimsonweed and Morning Glory and was tripping and bragging about it the next day.
Yeah, I smoked the herbs while there, but never messed with anything else, other than an occasional drink, most of which I gave away cuz it hurt my stomach, so how did you come to the conclusion I was a druggie?

MAYBE IF TOOK A LOOK AT YOURSELF, YOU'D REALIZE NOT EVERYONE THINKS,ACTS, OR DOES AS YOU DO!!!

Then Teddy got that huge camper and you tagged along on their road trip and ended up in jail...again, what was the first charge, embezzlement, ya, just what a community needs, a freakin' high tech thief.

And you people said I didn't have a community spirit, yeah right, because I had an eating disorder and wasn't used to eating around other people, a habit I formed over years of living with an ailment that thankfully I'm getting fixed now...I think I was the only one there that had the spirit. You complain about bringing too much stuff, yeah, it was a lot, but what was I to do, leave it in storage? At least I tried to bring stuff to help out, while all you had was a tent and a small pack, great for light travel, but that's about it.
How about that stupid dirt mound you called an oven, I told you that you needed more than dirt and clay in a pile, told you it wouldn't hold, you need to make a mud mix of sand,clay, water, and debris like dried grass or leaves to bind it together, also called survival cement, but alas, you didn't listen, but I helped you anyway, didn't I?

Funny how you keep mentioning turds in your post, because I thought you were cool, but soon found out that you're a fraud and a leech, and so full of shit it leaks out of your ears. You were always yapping about how many hot women you did, bla,bla,bla, so with all your experience, you couldn't even get Sam in bed, actually the bench, without getting her blasted drunk...that's a high school tactic, so it worked, but where's the honor in that? Oops, you have no honor, therefore don't know.

Since we're on the subject, when I was asked to leave, I called my so called friend in NJ so help me out by sending me some cash for a U-haul truck, he said it was going to take a few weeks to get the cash, so I was forced to live down by the creek, away from everyone, with few supplies left, I had to use my skills to survive eating insect grubs, fish,crayfish, edible plants,etc.(Imagine this happening to another with no survival skills?)
Then my friend never came through and I had to leave the property, lucky a kind person down the road let me homestead on his land, and after another 2 months, my cousin was able to send me cash for a bus ride, so had no choice to leave all my stuff behind...how do I know all you asshole didn't plot and plan all this just to take my stuff for yourselves?
Mind you I was in a tent during the winter, no money,no food, except what I was give here and there and what I was able to find or catch.

Another note, when I did get back there, my stuff wasn't the only thing left behind, there were a few vehicles, a bus, camper, and other things that people, no doubt was forced to leave, either permanently or temp., ie, get down there, stay a bit, then when you've been drained of all your cash, and sanity, and when you hit a low point told to leave so they can add to their collection of stuff to use or sell. Hell of a scam eh?

I talked to Sam on FB not long ago and told her I have no ill intent upon her or those who took all my stuff...at first, I was so pissed of that my attitude changed up here and I lost my job from it, but with time, I rationalized my mind and let it go, that's why I never posted a reply to all the shit and let things be, I think it take's a person with a good heart to be able to do this after losing about $50,000 worth of stuff, though not worth nearly that much if sold, but about that to replace, for example, how much would 400 cd's cost on average, or a few hundred dvd/vhs movies,computer and boxes of games,etc. I think my estimate was low.

I guess my vision of a community was far different than what they had in mind...I was thinking on using that stuff as community entertainment for all to enjoy during down time...a mix of modern and primitive living...ah well, so much for that idea, maybe I should throw away all my notes, notebooks, printouts, and ideas from years of reading, learning, talking with other communities,etc. just because it didn't "fit" here.

Even now with this reply, I feel no anger towards anyone, but rather hopeful that you find your place in life free from this type of hassle, free from your own inhibitions, so you can one day live, love, learn, and grow... if you didn't grow from this experience then at least rationalize that it's long over with and let it go, why hold on a form a grudge, your only hurting yourself, and most likely aging quicker from it...

Well, I'm tired of typing, so my advice is if you want to go down there,

DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK, BRING VERY LITTLE, DON'T LET YOURSELF GET CONNED, AND HAVE A BACK UP PLAN TO GET OUT WITH YOUR ASS INTACT.

Respectfully peace and blessings to everyone, and you too Chucky, hope you're enjoying MY guitar, damn thing really was a Beast(B.C. Rich Beast), anyway, I love my new B.C. Rich Bloodfire Warlock guitar.

 

Ummm and you guys are worried about people eating acid? Sounds like you people should be dropping acid and, CHILLIN THE FUCK OUT!!!

 

I think you missed the point dude...that wasn't the main concern, personally, I don't care if you drop or not, just don't accuse others of being a druggie if they themselves are one.

 

The last few pages of this thread are really discouraging for people that are interested in an intentional community / commune.

 

Note: When writing my reply above, I thought "I wonder" was a different John, my bad, but still, I Wonder never met me and went on about crap he only heard about, but didn't know for sure, nor from his own experiences, not a good way to go through life dude, find out things for yourself, don't go by the rantings of other pissed off people...man, you sure got scammed, sound like you forgot about your own mind and adapted the upset mind of others.
It's all programming, that was another reason I had problems there...I know who I am and how I think and refused to give in to the will of others trying to control me, so just like life, those to don't go with the mainstream are outcast...and the outcast always get the low end of the rumors and lies... why do people act that way, perhaps to put the attention onto others as to not expose their own fears or deviousness, or whatever crap their spewing out...just keep it real and you won't have to hide behind a mask... Karma will get you every time, and all the people who wrong me on the farm will get whats coming to them!!!