$500,000 to kill a puppy?

Prayer

Thanks for lumping meat eaters into one convenient category. Some of us do try to eat game or free range meat you know.

And killing an animal for money is different than killing for food. But i do understand what you mean.

 

i was gonna post a big rant until i saw this statement, good work

 

No.

 

id kill a person for 500,000
but not a puppy

 

i certainly did not mean to imply that all meat eaters are bad people or that all people who pay money for non-game meats are bad people. hell, like i said, i do the same thing.

i have no problem whatsoever with eating meat in the abstract, but when i actually think about where the meat comes from that virtually 100% of the meat consuming population of the US eats, it's rather disgusting.

humans are designed to eat meat, like it or not. it may no longer be NECESSARY, it may not be "GOOD" or "BAD," but it is true that we are physically designed to eat and digest meat. however, we are NOT designed to keep meat based diets, and while eating meat may be natural for human beings, it is NOT natural to raise animals in a similar manner to cranking out appliances in a factory.

from my personal moral standpoint, game is the only acceptable meat to eat. now my personal morals and personal actions in this regard are in conflict, so i suppose its entirely fair to call me a hypocrite. i suppose i'm mostly playing devil's advocate here. at any rate, when hunting for food the animal has a chance to escape, theres a chance for the hunter to miss his mark, there's all sorts of possible outcomes in which the animal is not killed at all. furthermore up until the quick death that comes from the hunt, the animal is completely free to live it's life naturally and happily. in contrast, an animal raised on a farm is doomed to slaughter from the very start, whether it is raised for meat or not (you think most farmers would care to pay to keep an old dried up dairy cow alive when they're not making money off of them? livestock is inventory as far as farmers are concerned)

while it is not unnatural to eat meat, it IS unnatural, and rather a perversion of nature, to keep animals in what are essentially concentration camps.

while i understand SOME people eat only "organic" meat or "free range" meat or even mostly game meat, these cost a LOT more money and are unnavailable sometimes and hard to find most of the time. i know of ONE store that sells game meat in the columbus area, and it's ungodly expensive. why would the majority of americans pursue this route when they could have a normal grocery store cut for a fraction of the price? quite simply, they dont. there are a few somewhat more honorable folks that eat almost strictly meat that they've hunted themselves, but these are few and far between numerically speaking (though certain regions may support more such people than others)

in case you didnt see, though it was written quite clearly and even quoted in another post, "now obviously this doesn't go for everybody"

so don't get on my case, please. this was an attack on nobody, merely an objective argument from someone whose actions fly in the face of everything he's just said...

killing for money and killing for food in this case are the same thing. we may be designed to eat meat, but we certainly do not NEED it in this day and age when we have more information than ever on how to properly nourish our bodies with or without it. killing for food on a farm IS killing for money. period. there is no other motive whatsoever. hunting is subsistance, ranching is killing for money, and on a much larger scale and for far less money than $500,000 for killing a single animal. while it would be somewhat bothersome to me initially i know i'd get over it, and when compared to running a cattle farm i'd actually say theres more motivation to kill the puppy than to kill hundreds of cows a year and still make a bit less profit than you'd make killing the damn dog.

i feel guilty about my diet sometimes, but i do try to minimize my meat consumption at least. i really do have what i would consider bigger problems though that need to be tackled first, before i worry too very much about my diet. perhaps this is something i should consider a bit more.

 

I'm with this guy entirely.

 

Fucking OWNED!

... Fucking idiot.

 

I guess I'm just a little bit... depersonalized? or something? I can't think of the word... but I've always found it easy to kill, though not particularly enjoyable. For instance, when the songbirds shit on the tools in the shop, I take my little brother's BB gun and go shoot them, even though they are innocent little songbirds, and it doesn't bother me, even when I have to kill them up-close (a BB gun usually will only stun a songbird unless you put the barrel to their head at point-blank range). I would easily kill a puppy for anything over about 100 dollars, and for 500,000 I'd drown the little fucker with my bare hands.

 

counseling?

 

well ive killed mice and rats before, so i guess i could handle doing a dog or cat too, it's not like their sentient anyway.

 

I completely understand, some people's circumstances won't allow them to buy expensive organic meats. It is different in Australia, if you go to the right places you can get free range meats for only about 10% extra on the price. We also have kangaroo (which are a hunted but overpopulated species) which is about $5AU a kilogram..almost as cheap as chicken drumksticks, and is healthier and tastier than beef which is fatty and cow grazing is bad for the environment.

Don't tell me not to get on your case....you said the above. By saying "If you eat meat" then you have directed your argument at me. And what you said was wrong, there are meat eaters who eat meat with at least consideration of the animals comfort or wellbeing.. You are intelligent so next time just watch what you say, so that someone won't get on your case. Its not like i took it out of context, its right there for you to see. You can't go round saying all meat eaters are this, when they could well be something else. I am with you on everything you said now that you have rephrased it.

 

Wow what a fascinating question. I think I probably wouldn't. But I'd give it a lot of thought. Nesta, I really enjoyed the thought you put into your post. I generally don't eat meat, and I'm trying to get myself to not eat anything but organic and free-range, but when other stuff is put in front of me I eat it. I haven't fully committed at this point, and I'm not satisfied with the crumbliness of my integrity a lot of the time.

This is such a great metaphor for what's happening right now for me. Like.. I freak out when I hear chainsaws moaning in my beautiful forest (huh, yes, 'My'), and yet I use paper, I use toilet paper, I use tons of forest products.

It's so fascinating. The distance between us and the factories are what the companies have to depend on, because if each of us had to go cut down trees, slaughter hormone-pumped animals living likely sans sunlight etc., the business would end pretty quickly.

Since Mass Extinction #6 is on the horizon (possibly not necessarily), I think it would be ideal if we could all sit down and really get to know one another so that when it gets harder to breathe, we'll have love in our lives.

 

no way in hell

 

nope.

I'd be more likely to kill a bunny, though. But probably wouldn't go through with killing anything for my own gain, unless it's survival, or out of habit (like swatting spiders on the wall).

 

Sorry to get on your case, but i find killing spiders is far from habitual, it takes a lot of conscious thought. So why not just put them in a container and let them outside?

 

i wouldnt its just plain cruel

 

I guess it's different for each person. Ever since I was.. oh, 3 or 4 I've been smashing bugs sort of indifferently if they invade my home. For me, it's a real habit.. though, it is still something that can be changed and yes I do respect the little creatures, now that I can think about my actions.

 

i dont think i could do it, i go so far as to shoo the misquitoes off of me instead of smahing them

 

I don't know why it's so hard for you to take a life--in the end, it's only a life. Thousands more were snuffed out in the same second. It only appears to be an important thing to us because of our perspective. As living creatures, we depend on life, it is our very essence and how we exist. However, in the end, when we die we are still only cells, just as when we were alive, and those cells are still only atoms and electrons and nuetrons and when you step way back and look at the big picture, not only is a puppies life not important, but life as a whole catergory is unimportant. The universe will not end just because the puppy dies. There is no right and wrong, it is an illusion created by evolution, because those that try to do the right thing, especially for their species (like helping other people) benefit in the big picture, and their species lives on. It is only our instincts mistaking the puppy with human life and our genetics telling us to protect our species that stops us from killing the puppy, and if you look beyond that you can have 500,000 dollars to go indulge in pointless pleasures that release endorphins, and we all crave endorphins.

 

Yeah i know what you mean, for most of my life i didn't have a problem killing some bugs, but a few years ago there was this beautiful huntsman spider living in the hallway of our house, i used to stare at it for minutes at a time, but my sister hates spiders and one day i came home to find it drowned on the floor. I cried for the first time in years. Now i wont kill anything unless i am going to eat it, and even then it is with great respect. I know thats a wierd story. My family couldn't understand why i got upset about a spider.