50 Dead In Orlando Terror Attack

It was. But nobody is old enough to remember that one.

 

Military operations are on a different list.

 

Doesn't really mean anything nowadays.

A second phone becuase guys never really trust phone security or their knowledge of them. Not really that much of a stretch.


Closeted guys can be pretty sneaky.

Not that it really matters anyway, 50 years from now it will be listed on Wikipaedia as a terrorist attack, most aren't going to want to believe otherwise, or really care or want to know about closeted guys secret lives.


Supposed CCTV footage of Mateen visiting the local hotel has been reported by dozens of news sites, but doesn't seem to exist on the web. So maybe not true.

But then who is this Miguel guy? Making up stories to get his 15 mins from this tragedy. He should probably be tracked down now. Pretty shitty if it was all BS

 

Great news Lewis was fired

[SIZE=14pt]Suspended Florida Official Kenneth Lewis Fired Over Anti-Orlando Facebook Post[/SIZE]

The Florida assistant state attorney who was suspended for posting an offensive rant about Orlando in the hours following the massacre at a nightclub in the city has been fired, Florida's state attorney said Thursday.

"Downtown Orlando has no bottom. ... If you live down there you do it at your own risk and at your own peril. If you go down there after dark there is seriously something wrong with you," Kenneth Lewis wrote on his Facebook page

Lewis wrote a second post a couple hours later that read: "All Orlando nightclubs should be permanently closed. With or without random gunmen they are zoos, utter cesspools of debauchery."


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/suspended-florida-official-kenneth-lewis-fired-over-anti-orlando-facebook-n598806

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And rightly so. It was a terrorist attack, no matter the motive.

 

True, but it was more "hate crime" than it was "ISIS attacks"

 

I don't find terrorism to be a very useful word. It's constantly misused and over-used, and exploited for political purposes.

 

As defined by the FBI, terrorism is not really the case in Orlando.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

 

I would still wager that everyone in that bar felt terror.

 

[SIZE=12pt]If this statement is true either the witnesses were confused or the Orlando Police lied[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Witnesses: Pulse shooter roamed club throughout ordeal[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]June 25, 2016[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.5pt]Omar Mateen muscled the muzzle of his assault rifle through a crack in a bathroom door at the Pulse nightclub after shooting through it where Sylvia Serrano and others were hiding.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.5pt]Serrano, 49, said she and others tried to keep the door shut with their legs to prevent the gunman from coming in. She called her daughter, in what she thought would be her last goodbye, at 2:28 a.m. That's when the gunfire started again.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.5pt]Victims trapped in the gay nightclub said they remember Mateen darting around, pacing between the club's three bathrooms, and opening fire sporadically for as long as 90 minutes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.5pt]"I don't know why they didn't come in to save us sooner," said Serrano, of Deltona, who was rescued about a half hour into the ordeal. "He just kept shooting and shooting."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.5pt]Their accounts of gunfire contradict Orlando P.D. Chief John Mina, who on Friday said it is "not accurate" to say there was shooting until 2:30 a.m.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.5pt]He said officers entered the club at 2:08 a.m. and "methodically searched" the building, rescuing victims until they encountered Mateen sometime between 2:10 a.m. and 2:18 a.m. near the back bathrooms. They fired at Mateen, and he retreated into the bathroom with hostages, Mina said.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-pulse-shooting-police-[/SIZE]



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Me too, Specs!

It's the old CYA (Cover Your Ass) tactic by the police.

I don't believe the survivors lied; and the texts and calls to their loved ones verify the timing.

 

I have other thoughts on why the police let the killing go on for so long but I'd have to take it to a conspiracy thread.

 

The only conspiracy is the conspiracy of silence. IMHO these Pastors are only voicing what mainstream Christians across America are thinking but would never dare say.

[SIZE=16pt]Pastors Praise Anti-Gay Massacre in Orlando, Prompting Outrage[/SIZE]


After the massacre in Orlando American religious leaders spoke in a largely unified voice, condemning the killer and mourning the dead. But at some extreme conservative Christian churches, there was another message: good riddance.

In the weeks since 49 people were slaughtered at a gay nightclub, remarks by pastors celebrating the deaths have brought attention to several outposts of anti-gay hostility across the country that until now had been operating mostly under the radar.

“The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die,” Roger Jimenez, a Sacramento preacher, said on June 12, the day of the assault. “The tragedy is — I’m kind of upset that he didn’t finish the job! Because these people are predators! They are abusers!”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pastors-praise-anti-gay-massacre-in-orlando-prompting-outrage/ar-AAhGt74?li=BBnb7Kz



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^
Yes indeed. Fundamentalist Christians cheer on (and occasionally picket) gay funerals, but fundamentalist Muslims create them.

 

Nah, automatic weapon in a crowded club.

I'm kind of surprised this is the biggest toll so far.

One of these nutjobs in like Time square in full Kevlar with an automatic rifle, could take down hundreds before being stopped

I don't understand the logic in not banning these assault rifles

 

You seem to be missing the point.

It’s my contention the majority of mainstream Christians feel exactly the same way as the extreme far-right but would never voice their true feelings in order to avoid facing ridicule.


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How would you know that? There are lots of liberal churches around here where gay people are welcome.

 

Fanatics are fanatics. Religious fanatics are the worst. Any holy book can be bent to send any kind of message you want.

 

I get the same feeling when I watch interviewed muslims on TV saying that Islam is a religion of peace and that the majority of muslims won't stand for terrorism.

 

How do I know? Experience in dealing with people of the Christian faith.



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