4th of july a republican holiday?

Discussion in 'Ask The Old Hippies' started by harmony15, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. tricknologist

    tricknologist menace to sobriety

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    There was a study from Harvard that came out last week that claimed that the 4th of July was a Republican conspiracy to brainwash the public, or something to that effect.

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  2. Reverand JC

    Reverand JC Willy Fuckin' Wonka

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    I follow politics peripherally. I have a job that always looks like I may get hurt when budget cuts come around. One of my clients is very active in the disabled rights movement so I keep caught up that way.

    As for voting I think that Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said, "The biggest threat to a true democracy is an uninformed voter." When I look at the average ballot in California and see over 50 ballot measures on top of the usual who's running for what thing and how theses ballot measures are worded I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to be an informed voter.

    I realized that Presidential Elections were a scam when I learned about the electoral college in highschool. The conversation went something like this:

    Teacher: In a presidential election the public votes for an elector who then votes for who he wants for president.

    Me (realizing that the electors name isn't on the ballot): So my vote doesn't count.

    Teacher: No, you vote for an elector who then votes for who they want for president.

    Me: So my vote doesn't count.

    It went on like this for about 5 minutes.

    Think about this from a historical perspective. In about 1960 Richard Nixon ran for president against John F. Kennedy. Nixon won the Popular vote. That means that the majority of American voters voted for Nixon over Kennedy. But Kennedy got to be president. That wasn't what "The People" wanted. Kennedy won the Electoral Vote i.e. the one that really counts. In 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush won the electoral vote.

    For as much as a crooked schmuck Nixon was he did have one idea that I agree with. Disband the Electoral College. Give us a government that truly is of the people. That is what we were promised.

    Here is a clip of another politician I have a little respect for:

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaAUmPNR69w

    Plus he wants to legalize pot.

    Stay Brown,
    Rev J
     
  3. granny_longerhair

    granny_longerhair Member

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    You've got your facts wrong, Rev. Nixon did NOT win the popular vote. But it was one of the closest races in American history, with Kennedy receiving less than 0.1% more votes than Nixon.

    Under the current system, it's theoretically possible for an American president to get elected even while receiving less popular votes than the opposition, but so far it's never happened.

    What has happened is that a president got elected while receiving less than a majority of the popular vote, which is not the same thing.
     
  4. dark suger

    dark suger Dripping With Sin!

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    I hate the 4th of July! It’s noisy and there are far too many people outside drunk and loud and just moving around. I have hated this holiday since I was like 3 and couldn’t sleep because some jack ass had really loud fireworks and I have hated it every year since!
     
  5. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    It's happened four times. One recently.

    Andrew Jackson vs. John Quincy Adams in 1824 (151,271 to 113,122)
    Samuel J. Tilden vs. Rutherford B. Hayes 1876 (4,284,020 to 4,036,572)
    Grover Cleveland vs. Benjamin Harrison 1888 (5,534,488 to 5,443,892)
    Al Gore vs. George W Bush in 2000 (50,999,897 to 50,456,002)
     
  6. dark suger

    dark suger Dripping With Sin!

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    damn thats a smart ass duck
     
  7. granny_longerhair

    granny_longerhair Member

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    Well dang ... I need to go study my history some more, too!

    But at least I knew Kennedy vs Nixon wasn't one of them ;)
     
  8. tuesdaystar

    tuesdaystar Interneter

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    I kinda keep my head down about my 'unpatriotic' nature.

    I'm not anti-American, I don't hate my country, I just think this idea that I should 'love my country' is just conformist pressure.

    I mean my country is where I live, it's a political entity, it's comprised of hundreds of millions of people, it's a 'global superpower', it's just not personally meaningful to me in that way.

    It's hard to explain. My brain seems to work logically, socially, skepticaly, and kinda idealistically. I don't feel a personal emotional connection with the political entity USA. My thoughts on USA are more analytical and progressive than 'loving'

    Most people seem to love it though.

    Beer and fireworks are cool.
     
  9. Scorpio Kenny

    Scorpio Kenny Church of the Good Earth - ArchBishop

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    Down with King George!

    Actually, truth, my family started the very first American Flag factory in the United States. No Kidding.

    Hoist a rum to George Washington. HooZaa!
     
  10. harmony15

    harmony15 Guest

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    tuesday i feel the same preety much i cant love a country that is all aobut loving to kill. its not right, my dad was in ww2 so the storys i hear and the way he talks aobut loving to kill makes me soo sick ! but i have to pretend to think its cool and i hate that. i watched a few mins of the fire works because if im not excited and dont talk about how preety and great they were when people ask me then they get really mad at me ggrrr.:(
     
  11. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    just to be clear, i never said i was patriotic.
     
  12. _Bob_

    _Bob_ Una Tana Bibi

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    I left the US, so you can see how patriotic I am....

    The US has a lot of good things going for it, but it's ruining the good things by the way it's running roughshod over its own citizens and other countries. And most people just can't see this anymore, or don't care.
     
  13. SPI WaveHog

    SPI WaveHog Member

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    that's exactly the type of self-entitlement the tea baggers wish to bestow upon themselves. it's a red white blue & green party holiday
     
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