Been enjoying 4-aco for a couple of the past weekends. At about 25mg. Pretty strong with very nice dmt like CEVs and everything is super beautiful with eyes open. Light and color is great. It seems to provide a good balance between meditative like states and times full of thought at different times throughout the experience.. I've been taking it like we used to take MDMA many years ago, by putting it in a small glass of water and letting it dissolve, then drinking quickly. Last weekend I timed it. (I usually try to avoid timing things etc...since I don't like to think in terms of trip reports while tripping. For me, it takes away from the experience.) Anyway...to make a long story short....I was feeling it sneaking into my mind within 5 min, and was really tripping hard within 15. By 20 minutes I was peaking. But, I wouldn't say it was a harsh come up. More invigorating than overwhelming. So...if you want to have a nice fast come up with 4-aco-dmt, I'd suggest putting it in water and drinking. It really doesn't taste that bad either if it's fully dissolved.
yeah the first time i had a strong trip on 4aces, i was surprised at how DMT-like the CEVs were. i don't really recall that much in the way of OEVs, but i haven't taken it that much, and not in a while. that's how i dose all of my RCs (4aces, miprocin, 2ce, 2cb) actually, i put the powder in a small cup, and then i pour water or juice on top of it. only a few ounces or less. and i probably don't let it fully dissolve...maybe i should, but i don't like to let it linger in the liquid for too long. no good reason why, maybe i feel like i could spill it, or it could degrade...or i could chicken out. then i down it and think "no turning back now" (i'm not always hesitant to dose, and that's probably not even the right word..but there is usually some small part of me that is thinking that way) i think it kinda distracts from the trip for me too. i have a hard time not thinking in those terms though. except for on really strong trips, or during the peak...then i may have sufficiently "let go" already. yeah, i feel like miprocin in water hits me with about the same timeline. maybe not quite as fast. i feel it in 5-10 minutes. tripping by 20. (roughly) 4aces, i don't have nailed down quite as well. haven't done it very much. maybe it depends on having it fully dissolved, but i think they all taste TERRIBLE! the more i take them, the worse they taste too! good seeing a post from you, peacegrow. i think it's been a while.
i get pretty strong CEVs when i smoke DMT. i've had the most intricate CEVs probably on 2ce, but that was when i first got into RCs. and like i already said, 4aces gave pretty strong CEVs too. try laying down in the dark with some music on, if you wanna see CEVs.
Oh yeah...DMT for me is like eyes open or eyes closed almost makes no difference lol I got this app called SK strobe and you can choose two colors to flash between and pick the speed...if I stare at it while tripping everything around me goes away and I see intricate patterns and colors. And words too..really brings out synesthesia in music too.
4-Aco-DMT visuals are shroom-like but more sparse for me. With Oevs, objects (leaves for instance) tend to grid and organize in patterns, there are glowing color enhancements, Walls tend to melt and bleed. Sometimes the oevs can manifest some really interesting objects. Cevs tend to be abstract mindscapes, probably slightly more refined than Shrooms cevs yet sans a part of a 50 mgs 4-Aco-DMT trip usually nowhere near the intricacy or complexity of DMT.
I agree with both of these to some extent. It's something about the quality of them that seems similar, but maybe the 4aco is less detailed and all encompassing. I've never gone more than about 30mg, and don't think I could. Even at 30 I've been a little overwhelmed. For me, it's about the same as 6gm of mushrooms (cubes) OEVs have been mostly color enhancement and some distortion like melting and shifting at my relatively low doses, but not anything fractal like or geometric that I recall right now. That's the sign of success with DMT! I would say that sometimes on the comeup (if you can call those few seconds a comeup), keeping my eyes open gets a little disturbing as sometimes everything vibrates and shakes apart too quickly/violently. Sometimes closing my eyes at that point is a relief so I can be fully in the DMT space and not hold onto my surroundings. But there have definitely been times after the first few seconds where opening my eyes has no effect, and times where I "see" the room on comedown, but then realize my eyes are still closed. I think that it does have to do with letting it fully dissolve. I've drunk when it was still floating around and it's been much stronger tasting. Sometimes I think having light helps a little...even if it's coming through my eyelids...for DMT visuals. But it might be other factors. It's good to post something. I have been reading from time to time, but generally don't have much to add.
I've dissolved chems in OJ before and the taste was barely noticeable. I worry about the stability tho in something as acidic as orange juice, but then again stomach acid is pretty acidic too, and they all work fine orally so should I just use straight water or not worry about using OJ?
don't worry about using OJ. you aren't letting it sit there forever... it's fine. in general, i try a new chemical in water, so i can learn what it tastes like. like Sasha Shulgin said...it's just a taste, it can't hurt you. but after the first time or two, i prefer it with some type of juice to mask the taste, like Ann. i haven't yet found a psychedelic chemical that tastes good
That's about how my dosing goes. 25 is about right and 30 is strong. A wonderful chem. 4-aco lays me out. Moaning with a blanket over my head was where I spent who knows how much time my last 4-aco trip.
The visuals really are reminiscent of DMT, I combined 21 mg with dissociatives once and saw the "veil" descending from the ceiling. Idk if any of u know what I mean by the veil but it's something I thought was unique to DMT...a ghostly veil of fractals I usually see it on the comedown of a DMT trip. It's like in the air like you could reach out and touch it.
