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but the rest of life on earth, other than humankind,, do quite well without even thinking about numbers.....

 

Fibonacci etc, yes.

In the past, the Occult could just mean "banned practices" or "secret knowledge". Science was considered the work of Satan. But things like Alchemy WERE actually practiced in a similar way to our own science. Altho they weren't as the films represent them.

As an example, "sacred numbers" aren't sacred in the religious sense. They're just important in geometry etc. And therefore important in different applied disciplines.

It would be interesting to see how much the treasured, ancient science could be separated from the sensationalist stuff.

Yes. But without them, your plane would still fall out of the sky. And your house would fall down.. hehe

 

Is the car I am in going to crash, too? Please tell me.
and I won't go anywhere.

 

and then I will need to please borrow your crystal ball....:crowngrin:

 

Erin knows that 3 is less than 4... Objects, of course, not digits. But she is aware of numbers and counting to a degree so not "without even thinking about numbers."

 

by sight....4 things look like a lot more, too, than 3...by sight my pugs know if someone else is getting a bigger piece of something, too...

 

nature is just nature

numbers are a human invention

nature would keep on being the way it wants whether we assigned numbers and math to it or not

 

I have to laugh at Winnie boss pug here...If I put something down on the flooron plates for each of them...a pieceor something.....she goes around and looks at all of them and inspects each dish....then picks her piece and then lets the other dogs take theirs.......She is a little smarty and makes me laugh here....and I am not laughing, as Must exercise them all now......in that heat...bah humbug....


Happy numbering....

 

In my understanding 'occult' means 'hidden'. The occultist believes in a hidden knowledge. Hidden that is, from the profane, the uninitiated.

Alchemy was a very interesting phenomenon. I'm not sure to what extent any idea of sacred mathematics was bound up in it.
However, there's a whole tradition of numerology in the Hebrew Kabbala, also in the ancient Chinese I Ching, and many other traditions. Hindus have their sacred numbers, Buddhists too.

Even Newton, inventor of calculus and thought by many to be the single greatest mathematician of all time, had his own 'numerical key' to the Bible worked out.

 

Mathematics is just another way of describing reality. I don't think there's any intrinsic math in the universe.
But as a method of describing reality is is much more precise than any language consisting of words.
I'm not a mathematician, but I know enough about it to see that this is so.

But yes - nature is just nature. Still, we humans who are a part of nature seem to have an impulse to abstract and to seek to arrive at a description of nature we consider complete.
We're nowhere near that at this time. But closer than we were even a few decades ago. Mathematics is a tool in that project.

 

You're right. I was being a little slack with my definitions. Fibonacci derived numbers are described as "sacred" but don't have any religious significance, as I understand.

Advanced Kabbalistic knowledge, as I understand does have issues of spiritual sacredness in the numbers. Atleast there is a desire to connect spirituality with the learning. I'm sure other religions have similar things.
Such as the Bible, with its recurring numbers and symbolisms, I suppose.

I don't think alchemy and numerology are particularly connected. I was just trying to give an example of how we consider some things to be mythical, when infact they were simply the sciences of the day.

There are fascinating books of people from people like Newton and Bacon floating about. An era when occult, science and religion were only just beginning to separate I suppose. I've got some pdfs of books from then.

To me, its all a fascinating topic. You can go down blind alleys, as some of it all seems to have lost its logic over the years. But then other things seem to have a real resonance of clarity. Its sounds you have read a bit on this, is that correct?

 

Doing laundry and had to measure out 1 cup of bleach, so yes, we do need numbers to do almost everything.....I thought about it. You are right....cannot fly without them, etc.....

 

u mean 7:06 ?

 

Case in point... When she gets raisins she normally gets 4. She gets them one at a time, not in a pile. (usually, sometimes I'm busy and just set them down or put them in her bowl) If I give her 3 she waits for the 4th... anticipation. If I give her 5 she gets all excited. Sure it's more vs. less but she knows the "normal count" is 4...



Speaking of 4... there's that magic number again. Trippy, man...

 

well you know the rectangle was this great novelty, because its so unnatural. and that made it attractive because of its novelty. but that was before modern cities. you over do anything, not matter how wonderful its novelty to begin with, well of course it looses that novelty and with it the aesthetic value there of. and of course that is the thing about the number 4. you know, its the plan view of that rectangle on the ground.
no i don't mean literally how we draw the number, but i mean when you have that many sides and the all meet at 90 degree angles.
as for religious anti-anything, that is our own human ego.

three fours in a row, besides the number 12, that would be a wheel arrangement on a steam locomotive that in canada they called a bicycle. a four wheel poney truck, four driving wheels, and a four wheel training truck under the fire box.

four is really not a pretty number, but it can also be the soil in which to plant things, so it can have potential uses. its just probably the most anti-aesthetic.

 

Circadian rhythm is a funky vibe if you dig my funky vibe

Interesting and fun!

 

Erin the crow? Ty, crows are one of the smartest birds anyway, and birds have to have phenomenal eyesight to see berries even from the air......and they learn quickly....even my little parakeets here know what is up....

and ONLY 4 raisins?

 

I'm quite widely read, and I'm quite interested in that period, just prior to the dawn of modern science when things like alchemy were in their heyday. But I'm also an advocate of science, although I'd like to see science expand it's horizons beyond materialism. The founders of modern science like Descartes and Newton were not materialists.
In terms of contemporary scientists I like, I'd have to say Sheldrake is probably the most articulate spokesman for the general kind of view I have of it all. Amrit Goswami is another.

I think mathematics is also a fascinating subject, but it's something I have only studied in a limited way (statistics).

My only real knowledge of numerology comes from reading books on the western occult traditions, the I Ching, and other peripheral stuff I've picked up over time.:sunny: