4-aco-dmt?

I say this with the best of intentions, you should dose 30 mgs, You won't regret it. 4-ac0 dmt has a really gentle comeup, you may have some slight nausea but just get comfortable with some music and a water bottle and enjoy man.

 

30 mgs? you tryin' to kill me brother? hahaha
I know what you are sayin' though, I remember you telling me you always tell people to start with a high dose to gain respect and show commitment. But jeesys man, I dunno

 

My two cents... yes it has a gentle rise, and quick as in 15-20 mins initial. Myself I've never felt any stomach discomfort whatsoever, I don't recall ever hearing anyone saying they felt anything like the 2c's. So no worry there. Here's what I'd recommend if you havent had a psychedelic experience. First, have a sitter. Someone you know well and are comfortable with. If you've never tripped, have someone grounded to chill with you for at least the first 2 hrs. If they aren't experienced have them read something like http://csp.org/nicholas/A59.html
Allergy test is an alright thing if it will help with your concerns. 2 mg or so. If when you're ready you want to get a good "feel" for it without being nervous you might trip too hard, I'd say go with ballpark 20 mg. You should get a real flavor for it without getting too out there.
And maybe this will help. Write yourself a few notes beforehand, have your sitter remind you to read them if you feel tension. Tell yourself to let go, enjoy the beauty, and that it will end. This was recommended to me the first lsd trip I took years ago. It went wonderfully and I didn't "need" it, but at one point I read it and smiled.
Remember this, it takes many many more times over 20 or 30 mgs to od if it's even possible at all. GB's advice isn't far off, 30 is wonderful. YOU control the majority of the experience going in. Set and setting. If you're looking forward to an amazing time that is what you will have.
Be safe.

 

30 mg 4acodmt really isn't that high of a dose. a lot of the older dosage charts (erowid etc.) are based on the HCl salt i believe. what you will have is most likely the fumarate salt which weighs a bit more, thus requiring a higher dose (118% if i recall)

so if you wanted to take 15 mg, you should really take ~18 mg.

my advice would be to start with AT LEAST 15 mg, but 20 or 25 is more like it.

ask anyone here, i am the resident LOW doser. 25 mg didn't do much to me, but it was when i was tripping kind of a lot.

take 20-30 mg and don't worry. it really is easier to have a bad time on too low of a dose than a medium-high one. high dose 4acodmt wouldn't be until 40 mg at least, but people routinely take 50 or 60 mg.

 

Ya but, what you lack in quantity, you make up for in quality. :sunny:

 

My first time was on 40mg and it was just strong enough that I had to commit fully to an all-encompassing psychedelic experience (as opposed to being in "limbo" and being half sober and struggling against the other half that was trying to melt) but not so strong that I was overwhelmed (in a bad way) and couldn't function or anything like that.

I agree with the sentiment here that dosing too low, too cautiously, can be detrimental. There is a real wisdom to saying that low doses are often harder than high doses. When you dose high, everything's on track, everything's synchronized and on the same page. There is a kind of teamwork in your head. I recommended 15mg for you but that's only a number I thought you might actually be comfortable with. I'd really want you to take like 30mg your first time as well. You'll do great just breathe and remember you are on a psychedelic for your first time!

 

This stuff is my all time favorite next to Sid himself. It's not the most powerful stuff in the world, but you can give it to ANYONE for a good time. Out of all the RCs I've experimented with 4acodmt is the purest feeling. With any other RC my trip feels synthetic.. with 4acodmt the entire experience feels natural and comfortable. I wish I could dose this stuff every freaking morning! Just recently lost my only source for the stuff... so uh... hint hint guys

 

I have to say this stuff does sound outstanding! One for the list

 

Great RC, although the "ego-death" is the most intense I've ever had- to the point of not wanting to exist.

 

I'm not sure I undertsand ego death but I don't know that ''not wanting to live'' sounds like it...

That being said, how much did you take?

I ordered a scale yesterday, soon ill order some of that and maybe some 2CI while I'm at it.

 

personally what it sounds like to me is just a state of being, your nothing specific, you don't even classify yourself as alive at that point. your just laying, breathing, there. what ever you are, where ever you are, who ever you are, just so deep into an alter conscious that your just reborn as almost an entire new person. not living in the past, nor the future, but just indludged fully in the present. and from that point, you can rebuild yourself fresh. everything reborn and fresh and new everything so beautiful, intill the mind starts to create preferences again, making certian things better than others, making things specific, building up a certian charter, or ego. in which you may have to simply remove again.

a person thinking one thing is better than another because of personal preference is to much ego, when things have to be done a specific way, or certian habitual human behavior is repeated, and a character or "ego" is created.

and at the time it is time to take a look into an alternative perspective.


good times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEke7x4CKSM"]YouTube - Grateful Dead - He's Gone

 

Very well explained and very close to my understanding of it. This is why I don't think ''not wanting to live'' sounds much like ego death.

 

Sorry, I should've mentioned that this sort of ego-death is unique from any other psychedelic experience of mine, much different than say, LSD. For me, this RC has proven to be extremely dark, introspective, and often overwhelming. You are not in control with this one, my friend. The best way I've heard it put is "having your mind raped" (at high doses, at least).

The experience I am speaking from was ~60mg fumarate.

 

That's interesting because I've heard all the contrary. I heard that the come up is nice and smooth, an even relaxing, and that it didn't have half the mindfuck that shrooms do. I've read people talk about that it one of the friendliest RC's, second only to 2cI. And on top of that it's short lasting. I've never done psychedelics, and I'm probably going to start with 4 ACO DMT, so I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.

Then again, 60mg sounds like a pretty big dose from what I've read...

 

Oh, there is DEFINITELY a mind fuck present.
As far as intensity goes, I have a friend who is well experienced with datura and many other psychedelics (or deliriants), and even he was having difficulties.

 

I've done 20 mgs rectally and 30 mgs orally and neither was as intense as shrooms. It's a great chem rectally, it's so clean and crisp that way from the visuals to the headspace. When I took 30 mgs orally, I took it in a recreational enviornment and it was more shroomlike but felt hollower, (not as full on) kind of wavy in my visual field and a slight drunkeness and foggy head to it but still more manageable than a 1/8 of shrooms.

 

60 mg of just about any RC will rape you! start with 20mg for your first time. I loooooove 20s!

 

I'm going to have to side with GB on this one, though I've never tried 50 and not plugged it. I've done 30 and my experience has been very similar. It's truly amazing and not as "intense" as a good amount of shrooms. I don't feel anything dark about it and find the headspace very friendly and easy to navigate.
I may have to change that story if/when I get to that 50-60mg territory.

Shivaya it's good you want to get as much info as possible wading into rc's. I stress that to people often. 4 ace imo is a very friendly experience and I'm sure you'll have a great time. Tell us about it after.

 

If you don't think 4aces is as intense as shrooms, that's because you should roughly double your dose. 30mg = beautiful, gentle, psychedelic fun time. 50mg = cosmic omegarape from the 11th dimension in star language

dose dose dose

it makes all the difference.

now with that said, 4aces is much less "confusing" than mushrooms, in *some* sense, and less emotionally chaotic, *in some sense*. It can still leave you feeling literally insane and drowning in your darkest pit of despair, or splayed out on the ground experiencing multiple orgasms in every single cell in your body for what subjectively feels like the age of the universe. It's still a tried and true tryptamine, and a 4-substituted one at that, and those all tend to be more or less the same in the distance they can take you.

so all you who comment on how nice 30mg is, I completely agree, but try 50-60 I will be a braver man when I decide to visit that place again.

 

That echos most everything I've read. Perhaps one day...