2nd amendment supporters

NoxiousGas ,What Rights do you have that I do not-apart from that of bearing arms which I neither want nor have need of?

 

These euro postees profess their love and trust for their government. Unbelievable. The NWO is leading them to slaughter. Between islamification and an outgrowth of totalitarianism the euro continent is doomed. Our rights are a gift from God not an inbred monarchy. The Right to bear arms should and will scare the evil out of the likes of your despots, the global left , islam and other home invaders. This is why the Creator gifted us with the Right to keep an arsenal of democracy in our own private living room.

 

American Hippies-LOve , Peace...and Gun Ownership ?

 

Damn straight. We fought for our happiness. Bought and paid for. You still waiting for the guvmint to bestow democracy upon you? LOL.

 

Yeah Adam & Eve were also gifted sidearms were'nt they,or not! You're a kind of American Taliban arnt you if you believe theres anything totalitarian about Europe. Bible in one hand ,Gun in the other!

 

With all the respect due, the brits got whooped like a bunch of fannies. They were tyrannical to the colonists (taxation without representation) and tried to take away the colonists right to fight tyranny, aka arms, and they got whooped. The genesis of my nation came about fighting tyranny. And yes, the French did help out.

Defense against the government taking away my liberties given by a higher power and observed in the constitution. I hope the day never comes, but history indicates otherwise. My country is chipping away and making end runs against the constitution. People are already exercising their voting to fight this; however, it is still happening and to an egregious amount. There very well may be a tipping point. Or hopefully, the people in government will restrain themselves. But, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Decades ago, when I enlisted in the USMC, I took an oath to defend the constitution against enemies, both foreign and domestic. Not defending: a political party, not a person, not part of the constitution. But defend the whole constitution. Not difficult.

Your assertion about the myth is ridiculous. It is like a virgin telling a porn star that sex is not real. You do not have the freedom Americans have, you do not own arms, and you are telling us that this is a myth.

 

So when you gona defend your freedom,cause if thats why you have it but you don't use it then what kinda virgin does that make you? Its fake. You seriously would not want a revolution. They are bloody,murderous,prone to insanity & look at history,look around the world now,they don't work !

So given that we've had that argument,that gun ownership does not equal freedom but fear-cause that you're only reason for ownership-give me a serious rational reason why you still want them in your society?

 

That IS the rub, you see your governments role as an authority, Our government is SUPPOSED to be of, by, and for the people, but that is not the case, it is now of, by and for the corporations and foreign interests. It does not represent us, it does not watch out for our best interests, and only seeks to exploit us as a resource. For instance, it was our money that bailed out the banks, it was our elected officials that passed the Monsanto protection act. the U.S. government is essentially a criminal organization that needs to be removed, it's just that not enough of us are hungry enough yet to do anything about it, that will change in time.

As for personal protection, you seem to think it's like Dodge City over here if you think you would need a pistol to protect yourself, I've never needed one and don't fear for my life. Most of us don't, I have had to live in areas that were very poor, and consequently, dangerous. I, and my family took the necessary precautions, and never had to shoot anybody.

I'm probably just an old man bemoaning the loss of a way of life, I come from a time when people took pride in their independence, and self-sufficiency. I was taught to take pride in being able to make it on my own, to pay my own way, and not accept help from the government. I'm still that way. But is seems like everyone around me is more concerned with what they are "entitled" to, and I can't help seeing them as just stepping into a cage. And yet, the majority of them, yes, the majority, are all on some kind of antidepressant, or mood stabilizer, I believe there's a connection there. But I digress, too much overtime on a swing shift I suppose.

If you're happy with the way things are in your corner of the world, more power to ya. I just don't see the spirit, in you or in most other people that I used to see in the people around me, and it's sad.

 

Never leave home without it, Like an American express card.

BTW, A fucking 'assault rifle' has 'select' fire, Which means semi or full auto. Until then, When we can own full auto's legally they are carbines, But the libtards can church it up to sound bad.

That and if you're not American, You're opinion is fucking worthless on this subject.

 

ANY rights granted to any humans anywhere are those that are allowed by the ruling class of the area/country in which they live. To think otherwise is foolhardy and serves no purpose. Democracy is not achieved by praying. Democracy is still being attempted in many places, but out of the business end of armaments. Game over here with the advent of drones to those that think we can maintain our freedoms with rifles. In addition, the ballot box is becoming less and less important here because of our goverment being "owned" by the corporations. The choices we're given are no choices at all. I support the 2nd amendment, but let's not play games like we're big tough guys that are going to whip this government into shape. ---the ruling class has us by the short hairs and they own the game.

 

You're too funny. I have guns for many reasons, not just for defense against tyrants and otherwise bad guys. I never said I wanted a revolution. The revolution in 1776 worked. Now look at Syria. It has not yet been quelled. And what does he US pres want to do, send arms to the "insurgents".

I would rather that my liberties remain, but that is not the case. Freedom has to be vigilantly protected. You apparently do not understand that.

You've lost that argument. You just do no understand. I have given you a rational reason (protection of liberty). There are more for me: protect myself at home, protect myself when I am out and about, target shooting, skeet shooting, hunting, pissing off liberals, etc. ...

 

You said it all! Its going that way in the UK too & will in the west generally unless we find some way of taking our Democracies back. Ive no disrepect for your Constitution at all but I fear it divides attention away from where the decisions are made. As you say,we are weak at the ballot box as it is! Maybe I'm just saying that its time for some old fashioned political involvement. A realisation that its not the preserve of professional polititians,its ours too!

 

Seriously, I don't want to give up my guns, and I'm not going to. I hunt for food, and shoot for recreation with family and friends. It's fun, I like it.

The people you see shooting up schools and what have you, killing innocents could have all been stopped by one armed person in the group. You still have gun violence in Europe, I seem to recall some children getting killed in recent months. What went wrong there?

 

(to 33)--If only. We know what the game is as a whole and for individual legislators. Beg for money and become beholden--go along to get along--get the job and make your main business keeping it. By the time they are in the "spotlight" as it were --they are already compromised and corrupted. We don't get regular people running for office. We get the egotistical lifetime pols who switch from government jobs to industry jobs and back to government jobs. Same old faces--they never go away. People that know how and why the game is played. We get just barely enough to keep us placated while they attempt to reduce any semblance of a middle class to almost nothing. They're so blatent about the whole set up that they can, for example, give billions of taxpayer dollars to banks because they were crooked!! Yeah, old story. Aren't they all. It continues, 2nd amendment or otherwise.

 

Nope,doesnt wash Mate! In what way does owning a gun protect your liberties? I assumed that to protect yourself against Tyrants you were advocating revolution-if necessary of course! Otherwise then I assume you'd go for a one on one hit! LOL. I take it your fantasy tyrant has no security service.

You have not told me how you protect your liberties or freedom via owning a gun. You see I can't understand if you don't (or can't) explain. Your most rational argument is that you use a gun for sport!

Lets suppose a tyranical Government decides its gona disarm you & all the other defenders of freedom-now. Do you think that after all the NRAs rhetoric,all the stuff we hear via Fox News & the like as well as your good selves on this site they are gona announce it & give you fair warning?

We're talking about Tyrants here,real ones! They are gona turn up at your home mob handed armed to the teeth & take your 'liberties',or make an example of you...

What you own are pop guns in comparison. If the evil government do wana take your weapons Matey,they'd have done so by now. They don't because you are no threat at all ! Dream on. Defending liberty my arse.

 

I see what you're getting at. It s not you guys that are the issue its the underlying availablity of guns in your culture & the readyness to use violence thats the problem. Unlawful killings have become too prolific surely you accept that?

You're right ,there have been children & innocents killed in Europe & in the UK. Here,immediatly after the tragedies our gun laws were radically changed to try to prevent more of the same. It has to be said that a lot of legitimate owners,like yourself , suffered in not being able to renew their licences. Ownership continues but it is closely monitored-not a 'Big Government' thing but a genuin wish to prevent tragedy held by us all.
The utmost is done to capture illegaly held weapons,especially those in the hands of criminals.

Truth is,there is no way to completely stop gun misuse as long as guns exist. We just do our best to control them. In the UK my guess is that you would be allowed to continue your gun use.

 

Oh yeah! Thats the crux-keep us arguing (Dems vs Constitutionalists,Right vs Left,ect) about the 'little'stuff-divide & rule & we leave them alone to get on with what they do best,looking after themselves! We gota start seeing the bigger picture before its too late.

I don't want to take any liberties from anyone. Just seems to me that while we are defending relative myths,our real Rights are being taken our communities being allowed to be unsafe.

 

You really think the govt. has enough manpower to, en-masse, take all the guns from all the gun owners in America at the same time? Impossible. It'll get some, for sure, but people will eventually respond when a tipping point is met.

Please read this account in USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

You just don't get it. I am not advocating violence. Just hopefully ready to defend the constitution and my liberties if it become necessary (to which I hope it never reaches that point). Gun ownership has a deterrence effect. It deters local crime, and when enough citizens own guns, it can and will deter unconstitutional power grabs by people in power.



"Defending liberty, my arse."

Quit being such a wanker!

 

I'm not against gun ownership but maybe some of you guys that are so opposed to gun control measures can explain this to me: why is it that some people are so opposed even to background checks? Background checks seem like a perfectly reasonable measure to me, to make sure that dangerous people do not get ahold of guns.