2nd amendment supporters

I'm on record saying that were I to live in some parts of America I'd own a gun for protection too. Still don't believe anyone should feel the need to though-I'd be asking the Government what the hell they're doing allowing criminals & crazies access to them.

The media makes this world a small place now Deviate. A child or other innocent gets killed it bothers people all over the world like it happend in the next street!

We do have guns in the UK. People hunt with firearms here too. But they are carefully vetted & having got a licence its reviewed when its renewed. Were I a gun enthusiast I'd would not see that as an interference but as evidence that the authorities are doing their job-protecting the public.

As for engrained ideals,I'll have you know that I am descended from a long line of Scottish Bagpipe players but I have no urge to inflict my playing on anyone !

 

Summerhill,

The media might make the world appear a small place but you can't get a total sense of a particular culture until you are immersed in it. The reason I know that Brits just don't understand our culture here is that you all make the same statements and arguments. Such as I don't think one should feel the need to have a gun (ie because 'I' don't feel the need to have a gun), and you mention holding the police and/or gov't accountable for the safety of any individual.. like that is something even remotely possible or WANTED here. Most people say fuck the police and want to take care of themselves. The police here also openly say that they respond to crimes, not prevent them. Many are on record saying that people are responsible for preserving their own lives. And that's how we want it.

 

Tv, The internet, Documentaries, You would be surprised what you pick up and find out 'what' the country is like. Im not talking the media whores of today that fall hard to one side or the other, But the old bob ballard ones from natgeo.

I see Egypt is going bat shit crazy and they are of the same race and religion, Well ones a 'special' muslim better than the other they say. I love how our country gave fighter jets fully loaded to them along with a bag of cash and small arms.

I usually stream news I see fit to listen in, Not too big on the big 3 pimp pushers. I like to compare 'the facts' as the host calls the lol. Anymore they really cant bullshit too much and the ones who do have die hards to keep them going. But they ALL seem to leave out the bit that counts to the highest bidder and party they favor.

 

Should people be allowed to own both a pressure cooker AND a backpack?
As long as weapons, guns, knives, etc. are not put to misuse they should be legal to own.

 

Same way with fertilizer and diesel, Ban then and use batterys that last a few minutes.

Some slack jaw will always come up with a contraption that go's boom and you cant have a pencil and paper to erase and change as they see fit, But they are trying to no avail.

 

Thats just being silly. A gun is only a weapon, the other items you list have their quite different purposes,even a knife can have a none violent purpose. Is your position so weak that you have to resort to this stuff?

 

The same day of Sandy Hook, some crazy man stabbed 20 kids to death in China, and people like you still don't blink at your own hypocrisy.

 

I don't wana personalise this,Ive seen this response from your pro-gun Countryfolk before (so this isnt aimed just at you). The responsis 'you don't understand us/you've no right to preach,its the way it is here,we don't even want to change the situation cos' thats how we want it',is a bit adolescent,like some kid arguing with parents having been caught carrying a knife.

Come on ,these are real issues,real people get hurt & killed. You guys know the stats as well as anyone. Like Ive said ,were I to live in some parts of your Country I'd carry a gun too-but I'd be making it plain that I'd not want to live in a society where I need to-that theres something WRONG here.

 

Why don't you explain how,in what way,I'm being hypocritical?

 

Guns can be used for non-violent purposes too. Some of my gun owner friends like target shooting, and most all my friends who own guns have never taken the life of another human with a gun outside of military service, although one did with a knife.

I am supportive of a gun, or for that matter any available tool functionable as a weapon being employed in a defensive posture, which in my opinion is justifiable violence. Owning a gun does not make a person bad or threatening, and I'd much rather own a gun and never have need for it than to need a gun and not have one. I rarely go into the forest without a hand gun, a pen knife, machette, and a first aid kit.

 

Let me tell you something. Article VI of the Constitution States

This means all laws are only legal if they are Constitutional; Fortunately for the Powers that be, the majority we're willing to accept one violation of the Constitution, as long as it was included with a "good" thing. IE The "Food and Drug Administration" etc. We have even made sacrifices on our guns. The true Right to bear Arms doesn't say anything about background checks, or having weaker guns than the government. It just says "Shall not be infringed." Secondly, let me note I am not country at all. I grew up in the Suburbs of NYC (long Island,) it's highly populated and their are very strict guns laws. Still I often hear about people being robbed at gunpoint, at one point 1 in 3 women growing up in the City would be raped and, criminals still managed to obtain these guns despite strict regulation. The only reason why NY is safer now, is merely because the City Government legalized "stop and frisk" which is total unconstitutional. So in other words, the only way we could be safe with government, and without guns, is just allow the police to become TSA and feel up anyone they think might be holding guns/bombs... Do you understand it in that analogy? Asking for government to protect you, is impossible unless they put a cop in everyones house, then we'd be the victims!

Dude, 1 million dead in Iraq, and just for a very small number here at home, you want us to throw in our only method of defense for alleged "security." The government doesn't want the greater good of the people, but control of the people. If no one has guns, no one could resist Unlawful entry, arrest, murder, rape and, certainly no one could resist an unlawful government who are the only ones allowed to poccess guns. You in England are alot less safe without protection, cause if the government decided it'd be good for society to have 100,000 less people, they can just do it, and who would stop them. Come in, rape your daughter kill your pets and terrorize your home- how would you stop that?

The problem with Americans and Brittians alike is we have been lead to believe, these things are so distant, they could never happen here. Whereas, History repeats itself and every big country who have failed all, Spread themselves too thin and devalued their currency. Many have attacked their own rebellious citizens to keep power, and most powerful would rather die than give up power. Especially when they were never truly Democratically Elected. The same path America and the UK is walking down today. I saw a documentary last night on how the Brittish tried so hard to take over our country with your banks, and I think they did it, roughly 100 years ago. So I think we need to reverse the trends of the past 100 years. (Just so no one can twist my words; I'm talking about Constitutional Rights Violations, Not race relations or anything else.)

 

I am an American and I strongly disagree with your saying that this is American culture. There isn't a single American culture. We have a deeply split nation. What you say pretty much represents the red states conservatism, but it doesn't reflect what many Americans think or feel. I know almost no one here on the East Coast that thinks the way deviate or stplsd25 do.

 

I from NY, DIP!!

 

And I bet you're a Yankees fan. I'm going to Fenway tonite to boo them.

 

Again, why don't you explain how,in what way,I'm being hypocritical ?

 

Nah, I'm not much into Baseball or football. Only sports I can bare is like Hockey, boxing/ufc and, Car Racing (if I'm on the pit crew.)

Other than that, I focus on preserving the founding Principles of my Nation.

“If you would have a happy family life, remember two things – in matters of principle, stand like a rock; in matters of taste, swim with the current.”~Thomas Jefferson~

 

Its encouraging to read that,thats the America I know & believe in. Some of the statements here get a little wild,gets hard to have a rational discussion.

America has a real gun problem & it isnt just us Brits who are concerned & effected by the tragedies,we share the same language so you hear more from us on the subject. If the rest of the world spoke English too there'd be a helluva lot more folk expressing the same views here!

 

You'd be surprised. When I lived on the East Coast I knew quite a few. Then again, I knew quite a few who thought like you.

You're right, though. Our nation is deeply split and I am not sure that split can be repaired.

 

No, we don't have a gun problem. The think you need to accept is that the America you "know" and "believe in" is no more or less valid than the America you don't know and don't believe in.

 

Then you & I don't have much of an argument,apart from addressing your reasonable need to bear arms-and mine- were I to live in some parts of the states . I do not believe,therefore, that Gun Owners are bad,my point is always that in a civilised,1st world society no one should feel the need to for self defence purposes.

I daresay that you & I would agree that there is way too much violence & suffering in the world generally. How then,if we believe ,generally speaking, that emerging societies might do well to follow the broad values of our own,can we assume this if we do not address & solve the very real problems we ourselves face,among which is gun crime & violence?