2cp: The Desert Mindscape

All of them pretty much LOL, 2cp seems like it tries to deliver this creeping deep headspace but it never manifests into anything for me. There is no real euphoric push like 2cI or 2cb and it just lingers on and on so I don't really know what's the optimal way to use this psych. I may try insuffalation next time around to see if that gets me anywhere but I hate snorting rc's. The L combo sounds intriguing but no L in my neck of the woods.

 

how does it compare to 2ce for you? how many times have you taken -e?

 

Yeah it's weird, but there was some PEA tolerance involved as well. Can't recall any further details at the moment.

on the shulgin scale? come up was a dramatic +++, then it kinda relaxed in the peak into a moderate ++. It was anti-climactic, like 50mg 2c-c for me.

60mg went from zero to complete obliteration +++ in 30 minutes. i wanna say ++++ to communicate the intensity of the experience but i don't want to overuse the ++++ rating which is different from the rest of the scale, but you see what i'm saying. It wasn't life changing in any way, in fact I didn't learn a single thing or have any insight at all, but the intensity of the sensorial experience was "total", on par with 100mg DPT (but still not as crazy hehe)

 

I would take 2ce anyday over 2cp, I've done 2ce 5 times. Its nowhere near as busy visually as 2ce nor does it really ever hit that Wow! factor that 2ce can. 2ce is not an amazing psychedelic headspace compared to some other psychs for me but it does have a pretty strong emotional charge. Like I said some of the cev's were pretty solid with 2cp for a bit there but just overall I find 2ce a stronger, better and more worthwhile trip.

 

surely it had to do with set and setting, but my earlier trials with 2ce at 15-20 mg did give me a good amount of insight. and i would say at least bordered on a +++ (maybe a ++1/2).

how would you compare the body load and or nausea on the two? seems like the only way 2cp could be worth a try is if it's easier on the body. good thing i have more 2ce than 2cp

 

The first time and last time ive done 2ce I was with novice psychedelic users so my inherent need to make them feel comfortable probably played a role in not allowing me to dig to deep on it.

 

Honestly 2cp is something more of an advanced psychedelic. I'm not really sure why people don't like it much except that it's long and rough, to me 2ce is stronger visually but I personally don't take psychs to see a pretty light show. As far as creating a psychedelic headspace, CEVs, and the introspection/insight that 2cp provides it's far superior. It's really about the reason you take psychedelics, are they another means of getting fucked up that's on a different level than pills and dope or is it to gain insight into yourself and the world around you.

If the visual aspect is the most important for you go with 2ce, if your into psychonautics than 2cp has no comparison among the 2c-xs. Just my personal take. If you have some try it, you will either love or hate it, but for something that you could potential it's at least worth one try is it not?

 

^^so you didn't find 2ce introspective at all? i went with 2ce as my first RC because it was supposedly the most introspective 2cx, at least the ones available at that time.

 

2c-b was used in psychotherapy . . .

 

I'm not trying to be rude or confrontational as is easy to come off as on forums on the internet, but what is your point? I've never tried 2c-b but it's supposed to be more erotic right? I'm not sure that would be the best psychotherapy drug, MAPS seems to agree as it isn't among one of their sponsored for medical use Psychs.

I also personally think that psychotherapy with a psychedelic is stupid, in the end it's a completely personal pursuit, gaining benefits from psychedelics, possibly your relationship with another could be effected in a positive way as has happened to many through the usage of psychs together, but how does this benefit a psychotherapist or the patient they are treating, it is not their relationship that the patient would be seeking to make better but other relationships.

And, in keeping with my psychs are a personal pursuit idea, one psych as it is to one person, is something else to another. Personally I find 2c-p to be the best 2c-x around and so does everybody I know who has tried it. It's actually only on this board that I have ever heard a bad word said about 2c-p. The people I know that have done it are all people that have had access to a wide variety of psychs as well so it's not their first 2c-x, most of them, like me, have done the most common ones which are in my area are 2c-i, 2c-e, and 2c-p. If 2c-e is your thing, than who am I to tell you that it sucks, because it doesn't, but personally I favor 2c-p. Really all i'm saying is that if somebody has a chance to do a psych, do it and see what you find, I think if the general consensus seems to be a drug is a bad idea, pcp or datura comes to mind, then that might be something good to listen to, but if people find value in a drug, even if others do not, then it's possible you might as well. Isn't that something worth attempting then?

 

They are a personal pursuit but the reason they are useful in psychotherapy is because psychedelics seem to dissolve those barriers people erect and allow them to really confront an issue. This is important with a psychotherapist because you can relay these thoughts and ideas to give you an area you find important and make progress and work on as opposed to just getting lost in the effects of the drug, It gives a user context.

As far as the 2cp goes, its true we all have favorite psychs but you saying you should use LSD in conjuntion with 2cp doesn't exactly make the stuff sound like it stands on its own very well.

 

I was replying to pork's comment that he heard 2c-e was the most introspective 2c-x.

All psychedelics are erotic in some sense or another (or can be), 2c-b is just really really great WHEN its erotic. Remember a trip is based on substance, dose, set, and setting. Just because MDMA causes strangers to have sex and regret it later, doesn't mean it's useless for treating PTSD in combat veterans.

I'd be interested to hear why it's not, but I figure there's a lot of politics and hidden reasons for what gets sponsored and what doesn't. Everybody has heard of "ecstasy" and "magic mushrooms", who has heard of 2c-b, outside the psychedelic community?

What? Have you ever taken a psychedelic? It doesn't just help your relationship with whoever you are taking the psychedelic with, lol. It can help any facet of your life, and every facet of your life, including any possible relationship you may have with anyone, whether father, son, or holy spirit.

Absolutely, I agree with you. But we can also find things like "MDMA tends to help people with repressed emotions", and use that to help people with repressed emotions. Etc.

I seem to have hit a nerve with my comment . . . you should try 2c-b, maybe you'll see why it was used in psychotherapy, it can be very insightful in a very gentle and inviting way, reminiscent of MDMA, but less pushy, and perhaps overall less useful. It is basically a more erotic, more psychedelic MDMA, with less of an anxiolytic effect and such. which could also be a reason it's not sponsored by MAPS. To be honest it's lightyears funner than mdma, could just be too difficult to use in a controlled therapeutic setting. Can get a bit chaotic and dark too if that's where your trip goes.

 

I believe absolutely that MDMA would be a great psychedelic to break down barriers with a psychotherapist, but as far as something that makes you trip, well I just don't think listening to classical music with a blindfold on while talking about things I could never describe in words would be beneficial to me, it seems like it would actually be frustrating, but I've had some bad experiences with therapists. One trying to play mind games with me while i'm tripping seems like it would just piss me off, and if they were tripping too that would not be good because I would play mind games back and that would most certainly impact their lives. But, that's once again a personal opinion. I absolutely agree that psychedelics can change you for the better and make every relationship that you have or had past, present, future, better. I just believe that it happens on a purely personal level and not with a psychiatrist. Psychedelics, especially LSD and 2cp have made me such a more religious and insightful person, but I don't believe that their use in conjunction with a therapist, no matter who they are would not have brought about those changes. Those changes happened because I pursued them and the substance took me to a mindspace where I could expand or introvert my conciousness in order to understand and appreciate every facet of my life and life in general better.

I would love to try 2c-b, but from what I have heard it just doesn't seem like a good psychotherapy drug, but neither would I venture that any other hallucinogen I have tried would be (LSD, ALD-52, Shrooms, 2c-i, DXM, 2c-e, 2c-p, LSA) I feel like the ayahuasca ritual as done by south american shamans would be mind blowing and completely beneficial as well as the peyote rituals of the Native Americans, but psychs used in conjunction with a western psychotherapy approach seems to me like it would have little value. I want to be out in the world, seeing nature, seeing God, talking and living with people, not shut up in a room talking with someone that I would probably end up considering an idiot. I want to trip with people I care about, or trip alone to reach into the recesses of my mind, not trip with someone I am paying to act like he cares about me. Once again, just my personal take, but I agree that an MDMA or MDA psychotherapy session would be a different story. I have done both of those in their pure form(mollies) as well as methlyone and mephedrone in their pure form. I have taken a variety of tabs too, not too many though because of their undependable nature, some of which I know were MDxx something, but others which were obviously just meth or an amphetamine. I only take tabs that have been tried by others, and my main guy is also a close friend so he doesn't bullshit me about what he has.

I'm sorry my last few posts have been a little agrressive but it's just because 2c-p is so close to my heart, and it is taking alot of flak, I don't know, something that has been beneficial to me just makes me feel obligated to defend it.

I also said that LSD and 2c-p mix perfectly, much the same as MDMA and LSD merge perfectly, as well as MDMA and Methlyone, etc. There are many combos that when done right can be more beneficial together than as seperates, 2c-p and LSD is one of those, but that's not to say I have not found the singular LSD or 2c-p experience to be without value, they both have tremendous value. 2c-p for me because of it's introspection, LSD because of it's cosmic ego loss nature. Together the deep introspection of the p mixed with the cosmic ego loss perspective/introspection/outrospection of LSD is something that is just amazing, that is why I reccomended it, but as stated before I wasn't saying that 2c-p is only valuable when mixed with LSD or something else. I hope that clears things up. Maybe my comments before were slightly confusing.

 

Hey if it positively helps some people in a clinical setting I'm all for it.

Also having taken both around other people I find 2cb is not even In the same fun verse as mdma. Writer you need to rave...

 

I didn't have time atm to read all the posts so I can more ably enter the discussion, but I did want to say in response to the person who posted this, 2c-p was much much less intense than I was expecting too. I started with 15 mg oral, seemed like I barely felt anything. I have gone as high as 32 mg, not that I'm suggesting this to anyone, but at higher doses I find it more enjoyable since there is more going on (amazing CEV and the OEV get decent) though even at that dose I didnt find it very intense, despite tripping for almost 20 hours. Also, I did 2c-p with some molly once and I loved it. I also did one hit of acid but that's very little for me and I didn't even hardly notice it. If you didn't get much from it because it seemed too weak and you felt like you were always almost to some enlightened state but never quite made it, why not see how a higher dose feels? I've had many psychedelics that I didn't care for much at all until I upped the dosage. Anyway i gtg now i'll catch up on the post later : )

 

I am sorry if this does not relate to the current climate of this thread. But, I would just like to add a bit to a previous post I made ( I believe that post was in this thread).


2C-p will always get flack. Its effects, duration and dose sensitivity are a perfect storm to give people bad impressions. I was caught in this storm for my first two trips. For my first trip, my expectations caused me to be negatively caught up in its intensity and lack of intensity. By this, I mean the profoundness of the trip (psychologically, physically[the body buzz] and visually) were a bit weak compared to my expectations. Before I tried 2C-P, I read so many reports that closely compared this stuff to LSD. My dose was 12 mg (about a moderate dose). This did not come close to LSD and it had many a differences.

The length of the peak and overall duration (seemed to be near 24 hours in total [did not sleep until the next night]) added a unique intensity and dimension to the trip that I have yet to experience from any other chemical.

Me next two trips were 13 and 14 mg respectively. I went easy on the doses because for obvious reasons. Both trips were different and added something as the dose was raised. Although I dosed earlier, the problem remained: I had a difficult time sleeping.

After a 7 mg trip (made capsules upon P's arrival) that was dosed at ~10 am, I decided to go back to the stash and make a higher dosed capsule to try at the same time of day.


A 16 mg trip that as dosed before 10 am on a cool, bright autumn morning gave me an even more unique experience and showed me the value of 2C-P. Keep in mind, this dose is not even at the 18-22 mg level that gets so much praise. This was the most my senses have ever been heightened, or at least the most I was ever able to be aware of. This offered some of strongest physical and psychological stimulation I have ever experienced. Yet, it was a kind of stoned, relaxed stimulation. Flowers and patterns swirled a bit on my curtains and carpet. But, the main visuals did not seem to be apart of my surrounding textures, they seemed to be visibly on top of the textures. Every light had multiple halos and glowed with a purple and blue glow. Although the colors, color enhancement and other visuals were pretty unique and enjoyable, this is not a strength.

The strengths, in my opinion, are the "stoned stimulation," ultra-heightened senses (mainly audially and visually), introspection (heightened when you're alone), empathy, willingness to open, unexplainable connection to organic surroundings (different than that of a LSD or mushroom experience, maybe due to being more coherent while experiencing it) and excited, semi-electric body rush through your limbs and torso. Another very noticeable strength is a strong aid to your creativity, systematic reasoning and associative thinking. This is experienced on a lot of other substances. The difference with 2C-P is you are more coherent and have extreme motivation to get things done and put the creativity to use.... maybe the motivation is the only addition and it just puts your creativity to use. I always write ideas down for stories, but neglect to forth with the idea, or stop writing after a few weeks. With this chemical, I cannot write enough. My brother, a painter, cannot paint or draw enough.



I have had a few other experiences in between the mentioned. In retrospect, the ones I mentioned are the trials that stand out the most. I grew bored of 2C-P momentarily. Dosing early changed this. Dosing 16 turned this opinion 180 degrees.



My advice would be to start low/moderate (8-12 mg) and dose early to avoid getting a bad first impression. Do not be afraid to dose higher. 16 was awesome and very unique for me. ~20 mg, when done purposely and with care, is said to be a completely different experience. If you do not work your way up dose-wise, be ready for an extremely apparent difference in intensity and duration between a moderate dose and a high dose.

 

I really like what you said about 2cp coolrunnings, it says a lot of things that I kind of thought about 2cp but could never put to words. I am actually on some 2cp now. I dosed 21 mg about 14 hours ago and I'm definetly still feeling it. However, me being different than most people (meaning i dont trip unless i take a shit pile), I worked almost 10 hours today working around people who definitely cannot know I'm tripping, and a lot of the time i would pretty much forget I was on anything at all because i had almost no visuals at all. While I didnt notice any visuals though, I did notice that i was more talkative and thoughtful about random stuff, and I can see how it would definitely be helpful for creativity and introspection.
2cp really demonstrated to me the differences that exist between various people the fact that some trip and react much more easily than others. I gave my brother and his gf 6 and 8 mg 2cp their first time and they both tripped pretty hard, having strong visuals with bending and morphing and everything. Me, I take 20 mg and hardly feel it. When i tell people i've taken 32 mg 2cp and it seemed mild to me, people say, "well then your shit must be cut!" They just dont realize that some people have less receptors in their GI tracts and their brains (most serotonin, norepinephrine, ect receptors are in your intenstines, not your brain). Those with more receptors are more sensitive, those with less are less sensitive.

Edit: previously I havn't kept a log at all on my trip reports and experiences, but I think I am going to start doing that for my own memory and information, since when you have to write stuff down it makes you think about it more and it might be beneficial to me to do so. I just wrote down a couple things about today's trip in the log that I just started, and I felt like posting it, though it wasn't anything special:
"This morning I dosed 21 mg 2cp before work at about 8 am. Worked for 9.75 hours while on it, hardly noticed any visuals at all, though maybe very limited bending and morphing or stuff seeming to shift without moving if I unfocused my eyes. On a previous 2cp trip, I remember looking out the window and it seemed like the ground and everything outside was slowly shifting up while not going anywhere overall. I did notice that I seemed to be more thoughtful and curious, as well as more talkative."
This was a very short entry that i put but I think it will help jog my memory of the trip when i read it in the future, and I think if i add entries on the same drug more than once, I might start to see things in my trips that I might have missed before due to similarities or lines of thought or whatever.

 

I'm surprised to see such dissapointment with this chemical, i dosed around 10-12mg or so orally and had a great time, i found it not very visual, but quite euphoric and with a sense of relief from life instead of the opposite. I had nearly forgotten about the drug by the time i came up and we had taken it so casually, meeting up with a friend at around 11am in a park with two oral syringes full of diluted 2cp. When I started tripping I bagan to panic a little as everything around me sitll looked pretty much the same but my mind was utterly confused and tangled and then my friend and I had a moment of revalation and laughed with a sort of rush of euphoria for hours.

Anyways, although I've only tried it once and my good expeirence may have been a fluke, i find 2cp is stilll a pretty great compound.

Your impressions of this substance seem to be similar to mine. The jist of my trip, was the drug suddenly appeared after i'd forgotten about it and i was alone. therte was much introspection and i was in awe of the personal learnign but enough was 3enough and my mind was worked into a not. my fellow tripper appeared and then there was less introspection but more telepathic sharing of thoughts and openness. our problems were each set at ease by the other and we all accepted how little we knew about anything and were happy. After that we spent pretty much the duration of the trip laughing at the universe.
As usual, i guess its about the right energies and people, but I think 2cp is a pretty valuable substance. Although it lacked intensity visually and eye candy, i found 12mg to be the perfect chilled out tripping dose for the day and that trip probably provided me with the most intense revalations that i've attained from a psy and actually applied to my philosophies of life and nature.
Although the world wasn't being broken down into atoms, rebuilt and then chopped up into cubist elements, compressed into a singularity and eaten by an entity, i certainly learned a lot about it...

 

Its interesting that you and those who elaborated on your point talk about its potential to enhance creativity. I usually indulge in creative/artistic mediums on psychedelics that spark that process for me. I didnt feel that desire like I have with LSD, 2cb, 2ci, 2ct2 or 5-me0 mipt. Both times I've taken it have been late at night though so I didnt even really have an opportunity to play if I wanted.

I know for sure I want my next 2cp trip to be a day trip and some of these responses have me eager to try it again, I'm wondering for those of you experienced would 1 large dose (~25 mgs) be more worthwhile to try and explore the entheogenic effects or 2 separate regular doses to explore the creativity enhancement and/or possibly share with someone else to explore its empathy effects.

 

I would say go for a dose closer to 25 mg, that's a pretty good dose. At that level you should get a decent oevs and even better cevs, and I notice that I enjoy exploring new ideas or topics either by myself or with another person much more readily. Its almost like you get a little manic when you're on it, in that thoughts can come to you quickly, though you are able to retain your focus if you need to. I'd say you'd probably have the best time if you can dose with someone else, though a lot can come from solitude.