2ce & 2ci vs. 2c-c

have only went up to 30 mg 2cb, or 20 mg 2ce. i find even 17 mg of 2ce to be very visual. more or equally visual to LSD, in my experience. with LSD i only get mild visuals unless i get really good stuff or take 3 or 4 hits (or both). but anyways, LSD's effects are not primarily visuals, i feel like 2ce is. the visuals are probably different in a way i can't describe. with 2cb i barely got any visuals and the trip made me feel more analytical. i could see increasing my 2cb dose, especially with how much you guys praise it.

you're not the only one. it's good to "see" you around the forums, man.

so is salvia evil?:tongue:

 

I dunno, Salvia has been pushed to the back of my list, but it's still there (quid only)

The last ones on my list of things I'm activly seeking are DMT, Amanita Muscaria, and maybe 2c-b. I'm not really a fan of candy psyches though, still would be nice to try.

 

I'm just going to throw this out there, but I really don't like that term candy psychedelics. I think of teenybopper ravers when I hear it. Besides that, I still don't really get the term.

 

I finally got the term when I tried the Bee. I mean in a sense it can be profoundly not serious, a playful frolic of the senses with no serious mental shenanigans. I used to think it's derogatory but now I understand it's meant like Force_of_acid uses it, when it's just good enough to be sold instead of real candy, and not "serious" enough (at times) to warrant a lot of psychological hard work like say mushrooms or something.

but I'd definitely like a better term than candy psychedelic.

 

That's weird that 40 mg 2cb was more visual for you than 60 mg 2ce because I took 4 2cb pills which im guessing were about 20 mg each which would be 80 mg, and the visuals didnt seem to get much stronger with 2cb as i increased the dosage, I just got more high. With 2ce however, every increased dosage corresponds to a great increase in the intensity of visuals. 60 mg 2ce gave me the strongest visuals I've ever had, with everything strongly bending and morphing in my vision without having to defocus or relax my eyes at all. It was awesome. People say that 2ct2 is really visual too but I need to try a higher dosage first. I tried 27 mg rectal (which was super uncomfortable made me feel like i had to shit for a couple hours, gave a burning sensation, and still made me nauseous and vomit). I later insufflated another 7 mg. Overall the visuals were very minor, things seeming like they are moving when im not looking at them and minor tracers. Next time I will probably try around 60 mg oral or possibly around 30 mg insufflated or something. Also, insufflating seems like it might be a good idea with this one, since snorting the 7 mg gave no burn whatsoever. Couldnt even hardly tell i just snorted something.

 

Ya it makes sense now, but like you said, there needs be a better term for this because it comes off derogatory. I can get super cereal on 2cb, but it doesn't force you down that route like say, 4aces, so overall it is usually just me having fun with my senses being fucked with.

Okay I'll take that back, I wouldn't say more visual but about equal is more accurate. It's hard to measure because each experience was different; 60mg of 2ce for me was very LSD-like, 40mg of 2cb was like a mushroom and 2ce combo (which I highly recommend). I thought the amount of visuals were strange as well especially considering all the reports I had read that had described the effects, so I was pleasantly surprised. But I have found that I have a propensity for PEAs in general, so keep that in mind.

Oh and a side note, I only dose orally on PEAs and that will always be the case. I have no reason to go any other route.

 

Ha I can't believe you trip so much with how often you puke.

Insuffalation is a great Roa with 2ct2 but I would go with 15-20 mgs that route. Insuffalated 2ct2 in no way is 1/2 an oral dose. It gets strong and strong quick. 60 mgs oral is a good dose though. I've done 50 mgs oral and 12 mgs insuffalated with this one. I reccommend to take it outside somewhere if your main focus is on the visuals. Its not particularly colorful to me so taking it in a room can make the open eye visuals kind of drab. Closed eye visuals are pretty amazing. Also fixing your gaze in a single spot on 2ct2 and letting the visuals form around that spot is the best. I don't find the visuals as obvious like 2ce where everything is constantly crawling/shifting/etc. But yah 2ct2 is a good one to snort.

 

ive heard of sites that people comment on like diff vendors and or rippers of these RC's can anyone direct me these sites my email is eexchane@hush.com and or calyx420@gmail.com..... any help would be appreciated

 

where did you heard that XD?

 

Fuck I just tried 30 mg insufflated. The pain wasnt bad at all (though it was uncomfortable and my nostrils very quickly became full of mucus), but I as in the shower vomiting up foam and dark orange and yellow bile for about an hour. Feeling much better now and enjoying the minor visuals. Wow I wasnt expecting that kind of nausea! I dunno I dont think the fully empty stomach was a good idea. Well anyway im off to go to work doin some yard work and stuff while i trip : P

 

Ha! Snorting 30 mgs is not a good idea.

 

well i still didnt even trip very hard at all. in fact barely got any visuals at all just barely noticeable sometimes. Sometimes i would even forget i was on it and then be like oh yeah. So if i need more to get high and actually trip how the fuck should i do this shit if snorting 30 mgs is too much. THing is though after i had tried to snort most of it down and my nose started getting all mucus filled i just blew it out and im no9t sure if i lost any in that. ALso maybe a decent amount just went to my stomach and was thrown up. I probably should have spread it out with like 4 lines or something and done it slower like over an hour or something a while after eating at least a little bit in my opinion. Well I think next time i trip I'm going to do high dose 2cc like 120 mgs or something. I really wanna trip hard cause the last 4 times ive tried it ended up not being much at all. hopefully that would do it for me. probably have to dissolve that in water and drink it over an hour or so too and maybe eat some fresh ginger and drink a soda while im drinking it or something cause ive heard people say that works wonders for nausea but ive never tried it though i should because i have fresh ginger. maybe even make some hot ginger tea and eat some fresh.
ps: also its weird cause a couple weeks ago I snorted some 2ct2 mixed with some 2cp and didnt get nauseous at all, although my friends were vomiting for about 45 minutes after that. Also the night before i ate some 2ct2 mixed with 2cp with a different friend and neither of us had eaten anything for a long time (her more so than me) and i didnt get nauseous at all and she got super nauseous for the entirety of her trip until she fell asleep, kinda ruined her trip although she liked the visuals. She said at first when it was just the 2ct2 before the 2cp kicked in everythign looked like water colors and then when the 2cp kicked in she saw purple lights. I had been up for like 3 days at that point though and id done copious amounts of molly sassifras (which i thought was MDA but someone said it was some other 3 letter accronym that i forget but had 2 of the same letters and 1 different) and acid. Maybe part of my problem is eating it early right when i wake up so my body isnt ready for it, but when i was all wired up and awake it did better. I dunno just speculation anyway sorry for this babblingly long post!

 

Copy pasta from another forum:
My feline friend tried 2c-i last night, 20mg orally for himself and 2 friends, within an hour they were tripping and he felt nothing.
They returned home to get more and the feline broke a 20mg cap and snorted about... 5mg if that, then he was tripping, then after ran hour or so they divided up the remainder of that cap and split it three ways.
The curious cat was pretty disappointed that the initial dose didn't work properly, perhaps his cap had more like 18mg and there's had 22.. he doesn't know.

Anyways this trip was much more managable than 20mg 2c-b insufflated and felt much more clear headed, though there was still the confusion/headfuck.
Also a large amount of just uncomfortableness for the first 2 hours or so until we were properly into the trip, guess this was just the come up but it is annoying as it may prevent the cat and friends from doing what they really wanna do with these substances which is venture far and wide from the house, see something amazing. Last night they stared at the night sky and created whole new galaxies with their minds, the natural world is so much more beautiful to look at, but whenever they trip they always end up playin it safe n stayin home.

Noticable side effects from 2c-i were a really stiff neck and aching head afterwards, felt so rough, also when trying to sleep it was obviously difficult to calm the mind down but food and weed helped.
Also present were the unwanted jaw clenching and slight overstimulation of muscles, not enough to make you shake but enough to annoy you when you're trying to sleep or even just sit back comfortably at times.

Just looking over a pdf now, and I'm sure the words moved around each other the tiniest bit, has anyone else ever experienced tiny visual distortions like this the day after using 2c? Sure I've encountered it with 2c-b before.

 

I told you 2ci takes like 1 1/2 hrs to kick in, it can take up to 2 hrs. For next time and all future endeavors with psychedelics don't worry about if people you are with are tripping or not, people have different metabolisms, comeup differently etc.

So you didn't get to experience any live drum n bass?


I experience tiny visual distortions pratically daily but I've been tripping a fair amount lately.

 

No, no live drum and bass twas DJ Friction too..

It's just that when I'm on this I doubt I could get into the venues, it's hard enough to buy straights from a corner shop, ne'ermind making your way into a club..

I only have 20mg 2c-i left, which'll probably be split insufflated between 2 as it seems 20mg orally was not really enough..

My inability to accurately measure an oral dose makes taking the dose when already in the club unlikely as I would be unable to bump it to a sufficient level. Even if I was able to accurately measure it I wouldn't like to come up anywhere other than home really, at the very least for the convenience of your own bathroom!

2c-e I havn't tried yet but bearing in mind it's a bit deeper than i and b I doubt that'd be any good for a live event, meaning a closed in crowded club with security and little privacy, as opposed to say an outdoor festival which would no doubt be more manageable. I honestly feel somewhat uncomfortable in 'club' atmospheres as it is when I'm sober so tripping makes it a little more difficult, whereas being drunk or on mdma for instance can improve it.

Haven't sourced any yet but reading about 4-aco-dmt sounds as though that would be more suitable for such an occasion with the more forgiving physical effects/body load.

 

from subjective reports it seems like 2cx (more specifically 2ce and 2ci) are more likely to induce HPPD than other psychedelics.

i've certainly experienced some, and i think it was mostly from 2ce since that was mostly the drug i was taking at the time.


also, from my reading about 4acodmt, it seems like it can get pretty deep at least at higher doses, and might not be the best thing to take for a social setting. i've taken 2ce and went to the most crowded indoor concert i've ever been to. i had a great time. but i was previously familiar with 2ce.

 

Fairy snoof, cheers.

Been looking for some more accurate scales. Are a set off of ebay for £20, accurate to 0.001g +/- 0.01g, going to be insufficient?

What's the point of a 0.001g scale if it only measures in increments of 0.01g?!

 

I'm about to order some I, I found a site where they got 4 aco and 2ci its fairly cheap so I'm hopping on the band wagon. I mailed em today im ordering tomorow yay.

 

I was doing good amounts of 2ci and never got HPPD.
I used to get it when I started doing lots of acid years ago, but haven't had it at all in the past 2 years probably.

 

One thing I've noticed about psychs in concert events. They seemed to get streamlined, some of the mental effects are stripped by the sensory assault. I've found this true for 2ci, LSD, shrooms and 4-ac0 dmt. I'm not saying go swallow a hero dose but a moderate dose can be pretty manageable in a concert setting and live music /djing can push your trip in amazing directions.