I get unbearable neck and shoulder tension and foot cramps on 2ce. The jaw clenching was horrible too.
I get that from mushrooms more than any other psychedelic. But white? I mean green and purple of course, only had white blindingly when I mixed acid with 1/4 of mushrooms. But that was more of a 'white out' lol
the CEVs i get on 2ce are much more intricate than just dots. but i agree that the colors are varied and amazing
I agree, the cevs on mushrooms i get seem to be more organized though but the dots and other 'slides' and stuff are way more colorful and vibrant for me on 2ce than mushrooms.
for me, the dots on 2c-e didnt remain that way, playing around and taking different shapes, they got so weird that i thought i was experiencing photons drift in without symbolism to make sense of vision. sort of like a pixelated reality that i was picking which pixel to zoom in only to find twice as many smaller pixels, until i felt like i was going to faint. but for whatever reason, mushrooms bring colors to a whole different......nevermind lol
^im talking about OEV here btw... closed eyes for me is like a explosion of nightmares and geometry shimmering over whatever is left of my sense of self
i can't remember tripping on shrooms well enough to remember the CEVs. but mine on 2ce are very "organized," symmetrical and whatnot
I did some 2ce a couple weeks ago that was fire or something. I tried it twice before and got shitty effects from it but the last time I did it, it was awesome. Amazingly positive, very clean feeling, had me groovin hard, and the visuals were cool esp the CEVs. fuckin sweet, I snorted 20mg, totally beat 60mg oral but Im starting to think that shit was bunk or something. Tasted the same but you never know, coulda fucked up their bathch or somethin
glad you liked the CEVs. they were always the best part of my earlier trips. now i don't get them as much as i used to, but i think it's just because i don't lay there with my eyes closed as much
probably effects people differently and probably effects the same person differently on different trips and dosages. I just remember with mushrooms the Cevs were more arranged in like square columns and would kind of fade in and out. I sometimes get some like get some waves and stuff too with mushrooms. On 2ce last week the circles would kind of blip in like one area of the scene but there would be like a slide or something coming in from the other area. The shapes themselves were well defined just the organization i found chaotic.
i have just have the most insane CEVs from 2ce, more so than acid, and that's pretty much the only other psychedelic i'm real familiar with. i've seen a fractal of a baby breatsfeeding, and the breast split open to reveal more infinite fractals. weird i know. i'm seen dancing people made of fire. and just the most colorful and intricate geometrical patters that go so well with the music
WOOO that shit sounds crazy, I'd like to see that. I've only gotten figures with CEV's from Mescaline. Ketamine has probably provided the most ridiculous CEV's i've encountered thus far, Salvia is up there though. 2ce's were definitely very colorful I enjoyed them, they were very synthestetic (word?) with music too.
2ce was very geometrical for me too, I saw tribal designed triangles and squares that fractalled out CEV and OEV.
Yah I'm not saying they aren't geometrical, I just didn't find the CEV's very organized, I remember the first time I tried it during the day with eyes open everything looked very symmetrical like a persian rug, but this time I had dots and slides and lines and shit all over the place, intersecting and what not.
it could all just be due to general variability like you said man. plus you did a larger dose than me. i guess i could say that the CEVs are chaotic and all over the place too. but i still find them organized i guess. it all just seems to make sense at the time, so my brain organized it "synthestetic (word?) with music" is right on. the music with the CEVs and the way my body feels. i can feel, taste, and smell the story behind the music and i am just in bliss
When I'm on 2ce, my CEV's are fuckin INSANE. It almost looks/feels like an Alex Grey painting. I'll sometimes close my eyes and actually see/feel/hear illuminated fractals coming from my eyeballs and generating electricity. Also, on 2ce, I once closed my eyes and saw myself being attacked by a giant octopus, then the octopus released me and morphed into a tree.