2C-E or more 4-AcO-DMT(Synthetic shrooms)?

i need to try both of these materials again. i have tried 2ce at 18 mgs and had a very difficult, both physically and psychologically, experience.

i have tried 4-aces at 13 mgs and had a very delightful, though short, experience.

i of course would recommend the 4-aces, but as you can see my experience is so slim as to be almost invisible. i also have a very strong affinity towards and preference for tryptamines over phens . . .

 

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Well, although this is an old thread now, since you replied, I'll add what I've experienced with both chemicals now, since I've ordered plenty of both since then.

2C-E definitely is "difficult but worthwhile" as Shulgin said, the come up of oral can be a little uncomfortable, nasal come up leaves you in severe pain for 20-30 minutes, and psychologically the wrong setting can leave you absolutely terrified or distraught. However I've found it is a very malleable and useful chemical. My best advice is if you're one of the people who experiences nausea with it, use some ginger, eat the 2C-E on an empty stomach, and put on some euphoric trance on the come-up. That might sound strange but I've found that very euphoric music increases the euphoria of 2C-E 100x (in fact, with oral, I often notice very little euphoria until I put the right music on) - and it gets so intense that I completely forget any bodily discomfort I'm experiencing. The same advice goes for a bad experience, just put on some trance, psytrance, anything very euphoric or mellow, and talk to some friends about your experience, although it's very easy to have a bad experience on 2C-E it's also incredibly easy to turn it around. My worst 2C-E trip had me believing the world was going to end and I was going to die, that I had a murderer in my basement who was going to kill me if I left my bedroom, etc.. It only took 10 minutes to turn it into one of the best trips I've had.

Overall I find the best use for 2C-E is creative insight, it's the best drug I've taken for creativity by far. I'm convinced if the experience lasted longer I could write an entire book while on this stuff, with no difficulty whatsoever. I also find it's quite social, and lacks the paranoia of 4-AcO-DMT, so it's a great "fun" psychedelic, for going out, going to a party/club/rave, or for chilling with some friends. The analytical side can also be useful for introspection etc, but I find that in terms of ego loss with 2C-E, either I've been unlucky or it's very hard to achieve, as I've gone to very high doses with no signs of the ego even breaking down a little.

4-AcO-DMT is pretty much guaranteed to give you some kind of useful insight every trip, however this insight usually goes on in the background. I find that on 2C-E I will work through problems and write down solutions, on 4-AcO-DMT I won't even remember working through those problems after, but I'll end up solving them a few days later anyway. Also the afterglow is a great result of the healing it gives, as you really do have a much greater attitude to life even after a single dose. At lower doses I find it's very gentle, an extreme body high, absolute bliss, and not a tinge of "bad" in the experience, hell, I had some of the most disgusting disturbing visuals while listening to dubstep on this stuff, and it didn't influence the experience at all, I loved it - while 2C-E on the other hand, when producing disturbing visuals, usually scared me quite a bit. At higher doses it's a completely different ball-game, but for healing purposes it's truly useful. I find that the come up is amazingly euphoric just like low doses, but when you hit the peak, it gets very rough, it will literally show you ALL your flaws, and have you almost in tears thinking that you're a useless horrible person (Or maybe that's just me? ) - but then, that is usually followed by absolute bliss, nirvana, oneness, ego-loss.. or, failing that, a turn of the tables, duality, it will show you everything good about you, and give you solutions for solving those flaws it showed you previously (coincidentally, all the bad things it shows you are always things you can solve, never anything that can't be treated. I feel this drug is like a concerned family member, it'll give you the kick up the backside you need when you're doing things wrong, and it might upset you at the time, but really it's just trying to help)

The best use for 4-AcO-DMT is most definitely healing. It improves your mood for weeks after use, it's brutally honest with you if you're wasting your life or mistreating yourself, it gives you a renewed love and appreciation for nature, people, and the universe as a whole. Ego loss is very easy to achieve with higher doses and the sense of oneness and eternity can remove fear of death and make people appreciate the beauty of everything a little more. Also, my use of the "synthetic shrooms" term to describe it in the title was a little stupid, I just didn't know how many people here knew of it at the time, really though comparing it to shrooms is a little wrong, as although it turns into Psilocin, shrooms also contain 4-PO-NMT (baeocystin) and 4-HO-NMT (nor-baeocystin) which are active in their own right.

As for the combo, very intense and amazing experience. The euphoria and visuals are dramatically increased, you get some of the "background insight" that 4-AcO-DMT gives, along with the analytical clearheadedness of 2C-E. The afterglow of 4-AcO-DMT is also there to help counteract the "fried" feeling you get the day after 2C-E. I think though that it's best to treat the combo as another drug to 4-AcO-DMT and 2C-E, as it has some new benefits, but also some negatives over taking each alone. I use 2C-E and 4-AcO-DMT separately, as well as occasionally combining them, and that seems to work better than always using them separately or always combining them.

Hah, not sure why I wrote such a long response, but yeah.

 

I'd say half your usual dose of each, I personally take ~20-25mg of 4-AcO-DMT and ~15mg nasal 2C-E each of the times I combo it, but that's because when I'm comboing, I'm going for an extremely intense experience, much more intense than most of my other trips - otherwise I'd lower the dosage accordingly.

 

Cheers for the info.

Im not sure what my normal dose of 4-AcO-DMT is as ive never tried it and ive got a high tolerance for all things good unfortunately.

My normal for 2C-E is at least 50mg so once i've got the stuff and done a test run with the 4-AcO-DMT ill take it from there

Payday is coming and im doing a test run with a new vendor this month to test the quality of his 2C-E then ordering a "party pack" from another one in November for xmas. On my letter to santa im getting:

2C-E
4-AcO-DMT
DPT
Dimethocaine

Jingle Bells all the way :eggnog:

 

This thread was great. This is just like the question I had.

 

what are the negatives?