27 Dead in Mass Shooting at Elementary School in Newton, CT

so your telling me the millions of dollars generated via media reporting they cry a little bit.. Im convinced now.. and take it all back.

 

which brings us to the current topic, they have better weapons now which is why i wouldnt be against better weapons in the hands of the people who could properly store them and defend thier land.
this honestly isnt a subject i feel to strongly about though. hunting rifles and small handguns would do the jobs needed just fine.
why are you so worried? are you afraid that the next nut job is going to crawl across the border?

 

everything always has to turn political doesnt it

 

i'd like to see less children murdered in their schools, i guess.

i agree with you that hunting rifles and maybe certain types of handguns are sufficient for someone to defend their property against anyone other than the military. if the US military is coming after you, i really don't think it matters if you have a .22 hunting rifle or an AR-15, you're not going to win.

 

Not to get off subject, but I 'suffer' from those same things (and more) and I don't consider myself mentally ill. I have disorders. It's just 'mentally ill' makes it seem so debilitating. I know disorders *can* be debilitating, but there's ways to work around them.

Someone mentioned opening mental hospitals and getting the money from prisons...I think the money should be shifted from prisons to schools, actually. Schools need funding. Schools need lots of funding. Those with mental problems and disorders *should* have access to care and rehabilitation programs. I've actually had no problems finding a psychologist free of charge and free medication (when I needed it), so the resources are there for people.

There isn't really much information that has been released about the shooter, but I read that he was disturbed. His mother should have gotten him help...and his mother should not have had guns in the house, especially being aware of her sons state of mind.

 

One neighbor interviewed skated around coming right out and saying his mother was a hard-ass. But I think that is what she was intimating,so maybe he was pushed past his limit right at home. It will come out,I suppose. Pretty obvious he wasn't happy with her.

 

hand gun laws wont do anythng.

people will just keep getting them illegally, usually from mexico

 

Imagine a society where everyone had a meaningfull job with a living wage. Other than those with bad brain wiring,violence would be almost eliminated,IMO. I blame our so-called leaders and ourselves too,for not trying to make this a fair and equitable place for ALL citizens. Maybe us more than the "leaders"--we allow what is,to continue.

 

i don't really know that much about the illegal gun trade, so correct me if i'm wrong, but don't the guns generally go south to mexico from the US in exchange for drugs? that's what i've always heard, at least.

 

they go both ways

depending on the people, and what they want.


its not like guns only go to mexico, and drugs only come here

 

Yeah, I dont know. This one all sounds a little different to other shootings. Started with Matricide, which made me think of Stewie Griffin. the Principal, Psychologist and then a couple dozen kids in the 5-10 yr range, all execution style, only one wounded out of 28, and that one wounded being a male teacher i believe.

Who goes around shooting 5 yr olds in the head cos Mommy was a badass?, Sounds more like some spoiled little brat cos mommy gave them more attention than him. I'd go with being a complete self centred asshole before any lame mental illness cause. Mild Autism was mentioned by the brother, and personality disorder, 99.99999% of people with that dont go around shooting 5 yr olds in the head

 

Perhaps they cancelled their radio address out of respect for those who lost their child or other loved one, or maybe just to avoid those, like you, who will politicize the tragedy without the slightest consideration for those lives lost or for those lives changed forever by the death of a child.

 

I actually very much agree with you on this.

 

We in Oz had a mass killing 8 years ago, the Federal Government brought in massive changes to gun laws which included very strong restrictions on Military style rifles and other automatic and semi automatic rifles and hand guns. This process included the buying back of approximately 2 million of these now restricted weapons (remember we only have a population of 22 million and we don't have a gun culture as such). These weapons were then destroyed and importing restricted. Included in the new laws was the cancellation of licences previously issued to these now restricted categories of weapons, the new necessity as to how all weapons are stored (gun safes), the associated restriction on ammunition and even a much greater control on knives and carrying a concealed weapon. Yes there are still restricted and unlawful weapons out there but not so many for sure. The culture appears to be different in the US of course unfortunately.

 

""REOPEN all closed state hospitals and don't demand people be suicidal before commitment ""

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Fairfield State Hospital (also known as Fairfield Hills State Hospital or ... a psychiatric hospital in Newtown, Connecticut, which operated from 1931 until 1995. ... was closed and patients were transferred to the Connecticut Valley Hospital in ...

 

It's a pretty poor (pardon the pun) excuse to commit violence/kill people, imho. I don't have a fantastic job/I struggle - do I feel like killing people because of it? No. Heck, maybe my expectations were not elevated to space, and I'm happy with what I have.

 

At some point in the future the US will go down in a bloodbath but in the meantime I expect gun sales will increase... again.

 

I would say that scratcho's point is valid more generally in so far as societies where people feel they are treated fairly and there is general good will (I suspect) have much less of this type of violence and violence generally.

 

Actually it was 16 years ago.

What you don't go on to say is this.

1 The guns were only confiscated from lawful owners, at a cost of over $1.2 billion. That money would have been far better spent on mental health reform

2 Most of the people who had guns confiscated went and bought replacements. The same thing happened in 2003 with a handgun confiscation.

3 I don't know where the 2 million figure comes from-I personally know the guy who ran the buyback in 2 states and the real total was more like a third of that.

4 Crucially, sadly and tragically it has made no difference to murder and suicide rates. NONE. It just satisfies the knee-jerk simplistic response that the outraged community seeks.

I share that outrage. This kind of violence is deplorably incomprehensible to me. But stealing guns from me and my friends ain't gonna solve the problem.

More, cheaper, better doctors; more, cheaper better hospitals would be a start. But we instead spend $750 million on useless sports stadiums or on pointless political advertising.

Blaming the gun is like blaming a fast car for a motor vehicle accident, or electricity for death by electrocution. And banning the item is not going to solve the core issues.

I apologise if this seems intemperate, but I have had 30 years of idiot amateur psychologists and law reform wannabes telling me that there is something wrong with me because I'm a firearms owner and that their confiscation will make the world safer. It won't. It will merely allow governments to take pretend steps rather than truly addressing the fundamentals.