25I-NBOMe

really cosmo 2cc more visual than e? try not synergising it with b bro.

 

1. Not sure i usually keep it up there until my trip starts to kick in then take it out (if i can find it) It will eventually come out either way.
2. As far as i know the dosage is the same i was using 850mcg 25c-nbome tabs
3. Its hard for me to say with that as the sublingual doses i tried with the tabs had very little effects. I find this way the trip starts with in about 30 mins and would peak at around the 2 hour mark, visually its fairly intense but i find it fairly easy to handle, a bit of confusion & lack of ability to communicate with others (i find this with most psychedelics) come down is fairly easy going.
4. A little chemical burning, drip etc but nothing horrible.

 

I finally tried 25i nbome. I found it very impressive, I took 1.5 mgs sublingual and I held it under my tounge for about 10-15 mins only, until the paper became mush and then swallowed it. It had a bitter taste that numbed the underside of my tounge. I understand the comparisons made to LSD, it also retained some of my favorite aspects of 2ci as well and I found it quite fascinating.

 

How's the body load on the NBOME chemicals?

 

Its much less pronounced compared to the 2c's but 25i definately gave me a bit of a body load. It was to stimulating for me but its sounds to me that 25c is better than 25i in every way.

 

Bumping for some 25i on the way, looking forward to this one and if good, 25c as well.

 

I feel the body load is pretty much negligible with 25i Nbome, there's not really any muscle tension/spasms or cramps like I get from the 2cx's but as Ganja mentioned it is fairly stimulating. In my one trip I'd say it's fairly similar to acid's body load.

 

nice. this stuff is really taking off. lots of my HF buddies are trying it out

 

This substance seems like it could really be my dream come true if it's really similar to LSD.
I've seen HCL available in grams for pretty cheap. So, the dream is to get enough psychedelics to last me pretty much forever.

The only trouble I'm having is that a lot of reports say it doesn't dissolve in H2O or etoh, even when HCL. Which means it would be really hard to work with. Also all the HPBCD stuff seems weird...and I can't find HPBCD for cheap. If that's only to boost the bio-availability, I'd rather just get a little extra and skip that step.

So...my big question is: has anyone been able to get this stuff to dissolve in something edible so that there would be some way to dose it out. If not...then the dream is so close but out of reach.

Maybe I should just get some now and hold onto it until at some point I can figure out some way to dose it out.

(I'm not so interested in the blotters since they aren't that great price wise.)

I'm mostly interested in getting a couple grams and having 4000 doses on my hands. That would be plenty to last me into my 80s...and be able to share it too. If I had that, and it was really like LSD which is my favorite for tripping for hours, then I'd be very happy.

 

I guess everything is going to be made illegal anyways, so I won't be selfish, and share my guide to 25i.

25i-nbome is some pretty nice stuff. Here is how to prepare it correctly if you have the salt (HCL) form of it.

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aquire glass eyedropper, 1-3ml is good/

aquire mg scale, i reccomend http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-Gemini-20-Portable-Milligram/dp/B0012TDNAM

aquire graduated cylinder that hold max of 10mls ( http://www.amazon.com/Graduated-Cyl...CFLM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324088779&sr=8-1 )

aquire drugs

measure out how many drops per ml you get with both glass and plastic droppers.

weigh drug of choice (25i) on scale. I usually use 25mg because it dissolves almost completely at 5mg/1ml with little trouble on my part.

2. dump 25mg of 25 into graduated cylinder

3. pour 5ml of H2O into the cylinder

4. put the graduated cylinder into a glass cup filled with warm to hot water, make sure your glasses can handle the heat, or they explode i guess, w/e/ also, make sure it doesn't tip over.

5. stir stir stir stir stir. shake the cylinder too!. just make sure your thumb is securely over the top, lest it fly into the air. Id use a glass stirring rod if I had to, but shaking is pretty awesome/

6. do this until no residue is sitting at the bottom of the cylinder, and then do it for another five minutes, make sure you see shit floating around, like pond water under a microscope.

7. NOW. if you aren't completely satisfied with how well it dissolved (yah right), then add no more than five drops of acetic acid.

8/. Pour into plastic eyedropper bottle, you may want to do like 3ml water, 2ml 80 proof liquor (make sure it has a fine taste, recommend almond flavored).

snorting it is best way, five drops SHOULD be 1mg, all depends on your dropper, and how much pressure and consistency are used.

 

The only thing I don't like about that is snorting alcohol. A, I figure it would burn a lot and not be good for your nasal cavities, B, snorting alcohol is very bad for your brain. I'm not sure if that small of an amount would have much effect but i'm guessing if you did it over time it might not be healthy. I've heard of high school kids snorting shots of alcohol and getting a more euphoric buzz and over time gettin all kinds of permanently fucked up in very bad ways.

 

you don't HAVE to use alcohol, just don't make a large amount.

 

It properly worked for me sublingual, perhaps a bit too properly :rofl:

 

I did some 25I yesterday about 22 hours ago, eyeballed it which i've done a lot cause its hard to measure, knew the experience and felt like trippin balls. I laid out a pretty big sized line (for this substance), and did it. Previously I'd never felt any sensation in my nose after snorting it, but this time I noticed a mild burn that lingered for a little, not bad at all and didn't linger very long but definitely was there. I gave my friend some, and he'd tried it once before sublingually, and had noticed no effects whatsoever. At first I was going to give him a decent sized line, but then I didn't want him to get uncomfortably high for being in public since we were walking around frisco, so I decided to cut it in half, and did the other half myself additionally to what I had done before. He ended up getting rather minimal effects with very light visuals, which disappointed me a little cause I wanted him to be fully immersed and truly experience it. I also took 300 mg 4-fa at the same time I took the 25I, and had been doing some already earlier that day, probably up to 500 mg total prior.

I have never tripped so hard on 25I, maybe even anything, before in my life. I was trying to use my phone to call someone, and I couldn't see what the selections on the screen said at all. I eventually figured it out, but I had to do it by looking at the selections indirectly through my peripheral vision, and combine that with what I remembered seeing before, and really think about what the blob of colors must be, and then the selections materialized so I can actually tell what I needed to press (through my peripheral), and was about to hit contacts when the person I was tryin to call (the other guy who tried the 25I) called me and saved me great trouble. It literally took me 5 minutes (no exaggeration) to be capable of finding the contacts button. I was also super scatterbrained losing track of conversations extremely easily, forgetting my point mid sentence, ect. At one point I was walking down the street just after the sun went down and there were a bunch of cars driving towards me, and the headlights were all I could see in the road really, and they looked like ethereal brilliant gems shining like stars with varying hues and I found it incredibly beautiful and surreal. Once the visuals starting dying down a little, my cognition started to vastly improve, and I'm not sure how much was from the 25I specifically or the 4-fa or synergy between them. Anyway its been 22 hours since ingestion and I am still getting mild visuals: slight bending and morphing, after images if I look at blinds with light going through them or other things. Anyway I had an amazing time, but it would have been a little more enjoyable if I hadn't gotten so scatterbrained for a while, though that was mainly a minor annoyance because I had a hard time keepin a conversation going. I was also a little frustrating not being able to send any texts cause there's no way in hell I could distinguish the letters apart and be able to press them, and it taking me 5 minutes to be able to push the contacts button, but that was ok because I was just trippin balls and that's what can happen when you're trippin your face off, which I throughly enjoy. I want to be enveloped by the visuals, fully immersed so that nothing is unaffected, I want to have true hallucinations and be in a world where nothing is related to the physical world I am in. Never experienced that but I had an amazing time that is all thank you for reading

 

$20 for 10mg oo! Wheres!?!

 

HAHA! epic. That cell phone part had me dying laughing!. Would you compare this stuff to psylocibin mushrooms? Sounds like it melts face!

 

I had everything planned out with a testtube-like container, liquid medicine measuring syringe, distilled water, milligram scale. Most importantly, 500mg of 25i.
I cut up a black plastic take-out container into a flat triangle and a small spatula.

I measured out about 15mg into test tube. I meant to drip water over the spatula and triangle to get what was stuck on it into the test tube...but forgot, adding the water directly. So, now I have a triangle and spatula with whitish powder smeared on them. The powder is sticky and won't scrape off.

I then looked at the little whitish rectangle at the end of the spatula and decided to try it. I put it under my tongue. I could barely taste it. Within a half hour, I thought I noticed some psychedelic effects, but was also thinking it could be placebo. I figured it was nothing.

I then tried to estimate the amount of powder left on the triangle. It didn't look like more than 4 or 5x of the area on the spatula that I just took. This turned out to be bad judgement. When dealing with a substance like this, a slightly whiter spot might mean the difference between threshold and very heavy.

Without thinking much more, although having to finish the day of work and with family in the house, I brushed my teeth to maximize the absorption. I took the triangle and dabbed it under my tongue. When I looked at it, it looked like all the white was gone. I could taste it, and it made my tongue feel slightly numb.

Within 10 minutes, I began to feel the rush of tripping coming on. I looked at the clock and was pretty surprised at the onset, and started to think that I better start planning for a strong trip.

After about 15 minutes I was brushing my teeth again, and under my tongue. This time not to help with absorption, but to help prevent any more from being absorbed. I was trying to think fast before things got too crazy. Should I tell someone what has happened. Someone to help with my cover and any trouble I have with this heavy dose? I decide, probably in part because of paranoia, that I am going to feign illness and hang out in bed. It's my best escape and a way to be sure to be alone. I announce that I am having nausea and need to lay down. If work calls, I say, let the answering machine pick up.

I start to slowly feel like I'm slipping away. In the darkened room, I can keep my bearings, but when I open the window shade and look out, I am engulfed in the twisted branches of a bush in the front yard. The difference in the color of the light outside and the darkness inside is shocking. I start to worry about what could happen. What if something happens at work and I need to respond? What if something happens with a family member? I try to rationalize. Normally when I'm tripping, I'm unavailable for a little while. So, this is just like that. But, if I'm just nauseous, I'd be expected to drive, etc. There's no way I can drive.

I felt like things were going in the wrong direction, so I consciously moved my thoughts elsewhere.

The visuals are pretty strong as I'm looking around the room. I take a walk to the bathroom and am again shocked by the lighting. It is so yellow. The odd thing is a lack of closed eye visuals. When I close my eyes, it's like a break from the visuals, which is different than most psychedelic experiences I've had.

I feel a little uncomfortable moving around and walking because I'm unsteady. I seem to be walking around fine, but not confident.

Looking at myself in the mirror confirms that I'm in the midst of a serious psychedelic experience. My face morphs quickly and at times I look like a shell. A second later I look like a beaten wary traveller, getting his ass kicked by this powerful substance.

About an hour has passed, and I'm beginning to get strong stomach cramps. It's hard for me to tell if it's really happening...if there really is pain, or if it's just my interpretation of having a stomach on this drug. I start to think about the next day. I definitely took a very strong dose, and now I'm wondering if the duration extends with longer doses.
My family members leave the house for a few minutes, and I run down to the computer. I'm able to search for 25i duration. Everything is psychedelically hectic: bright, moving. The cursor moves off the screen and into the air. I can't really find anything, but no one lists a duration longer than 7 hours or so, so I figure I'm okay.
I get away from the computer.

I figure I have until 7 or 8PM before things start to settle down. It's been over an hour, and I have the sense that things have levelled out and that I'm not continuing to come up.

Time goes fast and slow, in the dark room. My stomach definitely hurts with gas pains in my abdomen and chest. I make some ginger tea, which doesn't seem to help.
I try some hot chocolate, which seems to cause great pain in my chest. I start to wonder if maybe it's an MAOI, and that's what's causing all the troubles.

I spend most of my time trying to enjoy myself up in the dark room, ignoring the stomach pain as much as possible, and listening to strange sounds coming up from downstairs. I try to figure out what they are, kids playing around no doubt. I can hear the sounds bouncing up the stairs.

By 5:30 or 6, I'm feeling up for coming down stairs and sitting while everyone else eats. Still actually feeling sick now with the stomach pain. I'm still definitely tripping, when I look around at the room it's obvious something is still there. But, I have a feeling as if I just got off an amusement park ride. Still dizzy, but at least I'm off the ride.

 

My Review and other info:
I would definitely rather have acid. I tried more reasonable doses that my initial try (described above) since then. Maybe with some tolerance. I did one drop sub-lingual and one in the nostril one time and had an okay experience. I didn't notice any definite stomach trouble at the more standard doses, and had a better time when I actually was planning on tripping.

My main complaint would be that it didn't give me the same amount of childish joy towards everything that LSD does. It was also weird that there were no closed eye visuals. On LSD (or shrooms/mesc/etc) I usually get really beautiful closed eye visuals that can be fun to watch. My last complaint would be the stomach trouble, which may just be my chemistry, my batch, or that I took way too much. So, that might not be that valid. Also, I usually feel so great in my body on LSD, and felt a little unsteady on this substance.

Other Info: I had been smoking some really good weed for a week or so and the day of these trials. I usually smoke weed on other substances though. If anything I think it might have contributed to the stomach pain since I'm sure I overate that morning, and might have felt sick if I wasn't smoking and ate that much.

Anyway, the dream of having something like LSD for such a reasonable price hasn't really been fulfilled. It's a nice thing to have, but I'm pretty sure that I'd always choose LSD. I will try it some more soon though, just because I have so many doses, which isn't the case with LSD.

As far as dissolving it in water: It seemed to dissolve as much as it was going to pretty quickly after I put the test tube in some hot water. I then added another ml of H2O and a 1/2ml of gin for a preservative. So about 15mg/2.5ml. I think that's about 300ug/drop. (minus whatever got lost in transfer, etc.) Regardless, there was still some white visible that didn't dissolve. It seems suspicious since the bulk of it dissolved and this one little bit would not. Maybe some kind of by-product or cut or something. I wonder if that's what gave me the stomach trouble.

Under tongue: Definitely works. My first very heavy trip was only under the tongue. It's just too hard to tell with such small doses what the difference is. I could think I'm taking 300ug under the tongue, but maybe half the drop gets swallowed or something.

Complexed: None of this was complexed with that chemical that makes it more water soluble and active. So, it definitely works without it. Since it's so cheap per dose, I don't think I'd ever bother with sourcing and adding another chemical to the mix. It seemed fine without it.

What next: I think I'll wait a little while and try it again in a week or two with a buddy of mine. If anything interesting happens I'll post. I'm mostly curious to see if he has any stomach discomfort. If he does, it will make me think there's something wrong with the batch I have that's causing trouble...if he doesn't and I still do, maybe I'll have to just give it to him since something is disagreeable for me.

 

Got some 500ug blotters, done acid the night before, took 1 and ate it just like an acid tab had some minor effects and tingling but that's about all ate another the same way 2 hours later ( to be sure). Should have done some more reading, will be trying again next week or so and holding under tongue for 45mins.

 

@peacegrow: I definitely relate with a lot of your experience. The paranoia factor was much more pronounced than with LSD, it almost reminded me of stimulant psychosis to a slight degree. I pretty much got plastered to my couch for a few hours and didn't get to experience some of the things I set out to, but that's not uncommon for heavy trips. I also agree it didn't create very much of the feeling of childlike wonder, I actually was sort of in awe of the effects but it felt very devoid of much emotion at times and sort of had a weird laboratory type feeling to it.

Here is a TR I wrote for my trip. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=443582&f=126