$250K-A-Day For Nsa Prism Refusal - Yahoo

probably best not to use services by these major companies that handle your private info. this type of thing will force people to retreat into the shadows. use encryption. clear text is not safe. the government seeks to collect any and all personal information. the all knowing eye of the pyramid!

http://rt.com/usa/187144-yahoo-nsa-data-fine/

http://nypost.com/2014/09/11/nsa-threatened-yahoo-with-a-250k-a-day-fine/

http://news.yahoo.com/nsa-threatened-yahoo-daily-250k-fines-not-forking-231155858.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/yahoo-nsa-lawsuit-documents-fine-user-data-refusal

regards,
ace k

 

At least Yahoo tried... all the others just said "sure thing boss... here's all the data"



By now the NSA knows what color underwear everybody has.

 

right, it does seem like they collect data on even the most mundane things.

scientia est potentia is latin, and means "knowledge is power" .. power over us, the people.

edit: it's interesting that this was only just made public. the ny post has an article on this that was published september 11, 2014.., 13 years after the 9/11 attacks which may have been a hoax to stir peoples emotions, so they would not oppose these new surveillance polices. maybe this marks the next phase.

 

They all collect data, Don't blame Yahoo. Yahoo was the only one that said it was unconstitutional for the government to require data logging and have access to all of it. If you are on the internet, you have an ISP (internet service provider) They collect data on everything you do. You likely have an email service, they collect data also. Do a search using ANY search engine, it's collected... All of this is required by and goes to the NSA.

Back when this happened Yahoo premier users were notified before the court sealed the case... I heard of the $250,000 dollar a day fine back then. I believe they actually paid several days worth trying to buy some time, they lost. That email promptly disappeared. Shortly there after my Yahoo email account was searched for the first time (I mentioned this in another thread, it was more like it was trashed)

 

when I said they collect data I was referring to the NSA, I can't edit it to make that clear, it's been too long.

we can use things like pgp, tor, various methods of obfuscation and it works, but in a way it's futile because for this to really work you would have to do it all the time, every single time you did anything at all and any time that you sent something in the clear [no encryption] that would of course be collected. Even with encryption if you actually provide information like your name to a company because it's required then of course it defeats the purpose of encrypting. It's actually pretty difficult to even exist without providing various forms of personal information to various entities.

Apparently, the NSA stores all of this data and analyzes it, even super computers aren't fast enough to brute force massive amount of encrypted data but I do believe that they could store all of this data indefinitely, and when quantum super computing makes computers orders of magnitude more powerful then they will be able to decode everything and with that kind of computing power they could build up detailed databases of absolutely everything, and make predictions on future behavior of people. Even if it's 100 years from now that computers become this capable, they may watch your family, your great grand kids because of it then. Real life minority report.

 

so what are they after? The color of our underwear?

 

Control...

 

They have encryption back doors.

It's totally reasonable to think that that aside from people like apple putting in back doors and admitting it, they've had people infiltrate and do that to groups who have not intentionally provided back doors.

 

backdoors in an open-source standard? are you sure about that? anyone can look at the code. a back door would quickly be removed from the source code since the protocol would be absolutely useless until the code was revised. show me code examples of this, and an explanation of how exactly openPGP is flawed. i understand that there are lots of rumors, and the media exploits anything that will stir people up. i'm looking for hard evidence so I can be more well informed and try to stay ahead. extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. otherwise, which encryption algorith would you suggest, and don't tell me that there is none. that's the mentality that makes people complacent, when they feel they are powerless and don't even attempt something anymore.

any standard that is not open source is a completely different story.

i wouldn't doubt that most (all?) closed source software products, and proprietary standards probably do have backdoors of different kinds. i've actually been able to detect them, and see that they are there. the nsa agent could become part of the developement group, hopefully though, and i would assume that it would be likely that any tainted code would be discovered and pruned from the repository. maybe not, but absolutely anything is better than sending messages in the clear. and even with encryption, use pseudonyms. send ONE message, be as vague as possible. don't give any clue to who you are in the message, only the contents. find another way to convey that meaning that only the receiver will know to tell that it's you. USE SEPERATE IDENTITIES. SEPERATION OF IDENTITIES IS KEY, because they crosslink a bunch of information and put the pieces together. i recommend open source cable modem firmware [DD-WRT firmware] if you can afford to buy a modem to do this to, pretty much open source everything if you can. people are attached to their smart phones tho ... and i know that's a goldmine to the government agencies, smartphones can't be trusted at all. email headers are always sent in the clear, even if you encrypt the message body. it has to be this way. you can still use another layer of encryption on top of TCP/IP tho.

they are spying on us all though, collecting vast amounts of information. there's really no way that we can avoid all of it, but we can take steps to minimize it. multiple layers of encryption and encapsulated protocols should be mandatory. most people aren't willing to go to such a length though. if *everyone* used good privacy practices, there would be far more data to analyze, and i mean really analyze. it would take much more effort. if 100 people send messages as clear text and 1 person sends an encrypted message, they know what those 100 people said immediately, so they can then focus 100% of their effort on the encrypted message. if all 101 messages are encrypted, then they would have to divide their effort among each one of them, and they would all be more or less equally *interesting* to them. obfuscation is very important. we must obfuscate communications sometimes, to make it ambiguous what is really intended, and say as little as possible about the thing that needs to be secret. DONT REPEAT THINGS .. it only needs to be said once, and someone who asks you to repeat and re-explain in detail sensitive information is a fuckin idiot. that just gives them more information that they can use, and only confirms it further.

this will only get worse, and most people are perfectly okay with this. that's why this is a slow process, to slowly get us used to it, and for us to accept it as the norm. the current generation of teenagers are absolutely clueless, and even if they aren't clueless, they really seem to not care, because they really have no idea. i do think that things like this have been going on for far longer than most people realize though, even before home computers even existed .. everyone is guilty, none of us are pure.

 

^and what are we guilty of? Using a computer?

 

pretty much

 

Being American... You should know by now that we are all "guilty until proven innocent" and if they know everything about you they can make it damn hard to look innocent even if you are.


And when all that fails they can just upload child porn onto your computer and we know what happens after that.


Or...


About 6-8 months ago the NSA was bragging about how they cracked the 128 bit encryption that banks use. So now they can just make a deposit into your bank account from an offshore source, say... somewhere in the middle east. Then legally subpoena your bank records, find that deposit and make you disappear... because you are an "obvious terrorist threat".

Don't forget, they don't need to give anyone a fair trial anymore with the revised Patriot Act.



Scary new world out there.



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They can collect so much information and only show the stuff that sounds incriminating. Anything can be used against you when it's take out of context. And who would have the capability to fight so much damning evidence? Even if it was completely fabricated all they would have to show is all these things you said ...