2020 Election

Discussion in 'Politics' started by WritersPanic, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    He raised 4 million his first day and polls better than any of them except Joe Biden, who hasnt entered yet and I dont know that he will since the field is so crowded now.
    I suspect Bernie will do okay
     
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  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    So far, sounds like we'll be stuck with another term for Trump, unless the Mueller probe or some other investigation turns up something really juicy. All the starry-eyed idealists. Such nice people. What a shame!
     
  3. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    What do you mean? Progressive policies being pushed by most, or maybe all, of the Democratic candidates are very popular with Americans. And dont forget an establishment candidate lost to Trump last time so why do you assume doing the same thing again would yield different results?

    Maybe i'm minsinterpreting what you're saying
     
  4. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Member

    You know, I think I misspoke. You might be correct. However, I do think Biden will enter, and he would be my choice, as I think he is the only one who can beat trump.
    The main problem I have with either of them is their age, so it boils down to who they would pick as a running mate.
     
  5. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Member

    That may be, but I would like to see trump have to work a little for his reelection.
     
  6. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Hillary wasn't just "an establishment candidate". She had baggage, of the curbside-check-in, pay-the-fine-'cause-it's-over-100 pounds kind. The policies themselves aren't the problem. When push comes to shove, I suspect a majority of Americans are afraid of what will seem like sweeping change, and the Republicans are experts on portraying the Democrats as seeking to bring "socialism" about. My Republican friends aren't wild about Trump but they say at least their lives haven't changed significantly under him--yet. The voters may love the Bern and the fresh young idealists, but in the voting booth will they clutch up? Unfortunately, I agree with Trent Lott's assessment: Biden is probably the only Democrat who can beat Trump (not that I think Biden is all that great, but he could win and would be a definite improvement over Trump). He'd have to be coupled with one of the young ones as v.p., like Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar. Trump is a corrupt monster, but over four-fifths of Republicans are with him no matter what. Any of the Democrat aspirants would be an improvement over him. I'm just pessimistic we can sell them to the American voters. I think getting rid of Trump is more important for our national interest and the survival of our democracy than any policy package, however beneficial, we could adopt. I wouldn't want to risk another term of him for any fresh young face or welfare benefit I can think of.
     
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  7. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    You guys have made me realize how little I know about Joe Biden. He isnt even on my radar and it has surprised me how popular he still is. Is it just because he was the VP of a popular president? Or because of his policies? Long history of political service? Mix of all of the above?

    I have to say I disagree with the notion that no other candidate is capable of beating Trump but I suppose thats what the primary season is for, they all have plenty of time to convince American swing voters otherwise and to convince Americans that their policies would benefit the middle class and the working poor. And I also have to say this is the first year the Democratic party has ever excited me. There's a diverse crop of potential candidates who are focused on real policies. I've always identified as an independent because my attitude towards Democrats has always been, "well, they're better than Republicans." But maybe they'll become a party that can actually initiate substantial positive change and work for the American people rather than the wealthy. Regardless of who can beat Trump, I think the Democratic party is headed in the right direction at least.

    Small comfort if we end up with another 4 years of Trump though, I get that
     
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  8. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

    The biggest internal criticism Biden faced was grief over his occasional blabbing. Sometimes he says the wrong thing, goofs up figures or repeats stuff he shouldn't. But it's to be expected of anyone in Washington so long. Also, Biden was VP because a lot of democrats insisted he provided stability that Obama lacked.

    Biden's playing his cards close, as usual. And we haven't heard from the Clintons yet.
     
  9. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

  10. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

    Just when I think there's a break in petty politics, out it comes. First, roll the clock back to 2008. Sure, it's not as far back as the clock for Kavanaugh went, but oh well. So the background on Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn) is that she gets things done, but that she's "hard on staff".

    Now that she's running for president, and is one of the more qualified people the democrats have offered in a long time, out come the skeletons. The incident I speak of involves a staffer getting Amy a salad as they were boarding a flight to who knows where. The staffer lost the fork and since it was a short flight, there were none on board.

    So Amy eats her salad with a comb, according to an anonymous claim. Then makes the staffer clean it. I admit, I find it hard to buy, but I don't know much about Klobuchar. She might be a tough outdoors type, guns and all. A democrat version of Palin, only qualified!

    OR, maybe Amy has been down on her luck a few times. Eating a salad with a comb sounds like something you'd heard from homeless folks. I'd have done it with my hands and demanded lots of napkins.
     
  11. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Member

    I've heard there might be another republican running. He is the governor of Maryland.
     
  12. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

    Yea, that'll be an epic slug fest. Hogan is a real working governor and people know it. Maryland is mostly democrat, but many switched and voted him in.

    He has challenged the GOP orthodoxy before. But most recently he called them out for trying to build roadblocks to challenging a sitting republican president (which Trump is not, he is not a republican, he just stole their seat). I think the GOP was anticipating just such a move. But it's weird they would build this internal wall for Trump.

    Unless, of course, the GOP has made a deal and plans to toss in the towel, again. They perfected their craft on this with McCain and Romney.

    Unfortunately I think the democrats will shoot themselves in the foot in 2020. They will fail to recognize that getting behind a republican challenger would just about guarantee democratic success in 2024. Trump will expose so much about Hogan that he won't be strong in 2024. The democrats could pull a "Cantor" and put a GOP lackey in the top seat for 4 years. But it will buy them a generation or more.
     
  13. neonspectraltoast

    neonspectraltoast Best Member

    The thing about Bernie, in my opinion (IMO), is that he actually is a genuinely intelligent and considerate and caring person, so he's got a lot going for him and a few tricks up his sleeves. A lot of people want to write him off as another politician, especially after the media treatment, but a lot of people remember. When the campaign trail gets underway, he will surprise people once again with his candor. Nothing compares to true grit.
     
  14. neonspectraltoast

    neonspectraltoast Best Member

    Biden's all flashy and what not. I think he's slick. It makes him likable and popular, but I doubt his substance. I don't really think he's going to fare well on the trail if he does run. I really think he knows fuck all about policy.
     
  15. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

    "In the run-up to the elections, we will all be told we are monsters if we do not vote to support more humane borders, more humane police killings, more humane wars, and the standard neoliberal trade agreements and political alliances. The Democratic Party will be spending millions of dollars to take over or silence the broad left coalitions built up over the last two years of anti-fascist and pro-immigrant organizing.

    Meanwhile, tens of millions of young and not-so-young Americans will pin their hopes on a progressive rebirth. Young immigrant girls will dream of studying to be lawyers and judges in the “courts of the conqueror” to borrow a phrase from that historic chief justice, John Marshall. High school radicals will style themselves socialists and go so far as to advocate expanded government health care programs and free university tuitions. They will all, without saying so, conspire to make America great again.

    Above all, they will sell a dream of an inclusive patriotism, a vision that mainstream media outlets are already trying to peddle. We are reminded here of the SYRIZA government in Greece, the most progressive in all of Europe that, aside from instituting the harshest austerity measures, also won the distinction of being even more militarist than their conservative predecessors.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s phantom infra-majority will continue to wane. The age groups he won start at 65, so more of them will be dying off every year, and unless progressives suddenly start losing the Culture War, they won’t be rapidly replenished. For some time, though, they will fatally divide Republican constituencies, forcing that party into the balancing act of having to appease two polarized factions, neither of which will be terribly motivated to support the other in elections (especially now that the motivator of the Supreme Court majority no longer applies)."

    - Diagnostic of the Future
     
  16. I think we have a big responsibility as a powerful leader in the world. During this presidency that leadership has seriously deteriorated. But I do think we will still have a place at the table once we get to 2020. Maybe with Joe Biden? I think he could bring us back to the level of accountability that I think we should be at. The other candidates honestly don't seem to understand or have the wherewithal to be that kind of leader. I don't think it's just a responsibility to "The American People", but rather to the whole world. We can't just cover our own asses. We have to reestablish ties with our allies.
     
  17. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    That hipster douche O'rouke is making a complete ass of himself riding his skateboard across the stage, trying to appear relatable :tearsofjoy:
     
  18. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

  19. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Greasing up my Staff Member Super Moderator

    It's illegal to take a rental vehicle onto a dirt road without a specific waiver.
     
  20. new Athenian

    new Athenian Member

    LOL too funny ! Bill Weld is a RINO so has no chance in any Republican primary be it 2020 or other. He was Gary Johnson's ( also RINO ) running mate in 2016 for the Libertarian Party. Remember ? Ha,Ha , I thought not but don't feel bad no else does either.
    I will add my thoughts here on the Libertarian Party and that is they would do much better to grow their own talent and promote them rather than scouring the countryside and drafting this sad political misfits who're only looking for 15 minutes of fame , sad , just really sad !
     

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