2020 Election

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“Absolute power does not corrupt absolutely, absolute power attracts the corruptible, Absolutely”

 

Reality indicates money, as well as power, tends to corrupt. This is why we shouldn't want anyone in a very important position for longer than 4 years max. It's almost always completely unneccesary

 

Mel

And the thing that what often separates the left from the right is that left wingers think open and honest discussions and debate are good and useful things to have, and do - while many right wingers often seem to see it as a weakness or something to be feared.

Anyway as is so often the case I can understand, respect and even sympathise with the ‘safe pair of hands’ argument – it’s just that I disagree with it.

Now I have no vote in this but to repeat I’m still leaning toward Elizabeth Warren, but then I’ve always been a policy wonk.

 

Fears and hope on the campaign trail

To many it seems to be all about Trump - but to me Trump isn’t the enemy to be vanquished he is an opportunity and I fear if this opportunity is not seized it will be lost.

Now I might be doing him a disservice but Biden’s campaign seems virtually all based on him been the ‘safe pair of hands’ who can therefore beat Trump and bring back ‘normality’.

But there is not much vision in that and what was ‘normal’ before Trump wasn’t good it had loads of problems that needed fixing and if anything Trump was the result of those things not been addressed.

I don’t think the US needs normal it needs changing.

Obama was an opportunity but I think the financial crisis both gave the US the opportunity and lost you it – In that I think the financial crisis helped him to victory and then robbed him of the time and money to fulfil his potential opportunity to do what many here seem to want the next Democrat to do – which is nudge the country in the right direction.

Obama became a ‘safe pair of hands’ and the Democrats played it safe and pushed through Hillary as the next ‘safe pair of hands’ so there was no dynamism no hope and that’s what is needed the right is galvanised fear, hate and grievance the left by hope, compassion and the desire for change.

In 2016 there was little hope and Hillary did not personify change so the left wing voters were not galvanised but the right was it was supercharged by hate and grievance, with Trump stoking the fear at every turn.

So it seems to me that that if the Democrats plump again for another ‘safe pair of hands’ they could lose the hopes and so the dynamism of those wanting real change.

 

Okie

Yes and it seems to me that is going to happen even if Nancy kidnapped them tomorrow and then kept them bound and gagged in the basement of the Capital Building until the elections were over.

So I think the Democratic leadership should own it – get them out there and go big on what they are saying and give the Republicans nowhere to go but to become ridiculously hysterical.

You don’t win against bullies like Mitch and Donald by been apologetic and safe.

 

I cant tell you how much I hate the word squad in this context
They're professional congresswomen, they arent cheerleaders

 

Isnt that the point I've been trying to make
Not that I believe in a utopian anything, but something functional that works for all people would be a great start

 

I don't think money or power corrupt. I think corrupt people try to acquire money and power, though. Money and power just puts them under a spotlight where we can see the corruption that was always lying dormant. One could acquire money and power and not be corrupted by it, though. I think the problem definitely lies on the human side of the equation.

 

I'm not certain, but as I recall squad was their sobriquet.

 

"Squad is a term from African American vernacular English, used to refer to a group of close friends". Squad | Know Your Meme The four Regardless of who came up with it for the four professional congresswomen in question gave the name to themselves for a photo shoot.
The Squad: progressive Democrats reveal how they got their name
How 4 congresswomen came to be called "the Squad"
It is commonly used for them by the media (kind of like the "Gang of Eight" designation for certain members of Congress) and the congresswomen concerned don't seem to be objecting. Of course, people are entitled to their personal pet peeves in the realm of language usage.

 

I dont have a problem with the term itself, just that it came across as a little demeaning to use it to describe professional Congresswomen.
But if they've used the term to describe themselves then that's fine, I stand corrected

 

I quite prefer the term congressmam to congresswoman

 

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But we are talking about congresswomen or sorry would you prefer congresspersons?

 

Of course its humans that are corrupt or get corrupt(ed). But about the first 2 sentences: its really both.
A significant amount of people get in politixs or other influentual or powerful positions not corrupt but the more power they get the more it tends to affect them negatively. It's like they think 'hardly anybody else played completely by the books, i know what is right, i would be an idiot not to fulfill my great plans by going the same road (hey, i will only do it just a little)'.
With money its the same: the chronic continuation of lobbying and simply playing in the big league changes how they think about big amounts and how they can be used. It might take at least a decade before they succumb to certain extent but a lot will. Really, its just history repeating.
And yeah, a significant amount get in corrupt from the start. Also true.

 

If you’re a male in Congress, you’re a congressman
If you’re a female in Congress you’re a comgressmam
If you’re a non bianary in Congress who’s too woke or mentally ill to know what gender you are, then you’re a congressperson

 

I think as long as the democrats, leftists, socialists and communists keep haggling over stupid shit like pronouns (for people and utility covers alike), they're handing 2020 to the guy they hate more than all of that. What's especially damaging is watching all the bitching about stuff Trump is doing/saying that are basically the same as what Obama was doing/saying. And now Bill Clinton's past is coming back to haunt (yes, he DID say "Make American Great Again" in the 90s).

Trump is using the words and deeds of democrats themselves to paint a nasty picture. And it's far more effective than the democrats, leftists, socialists and communists seem to realize. Why? Because they have programmed themselves to utterly believe he's "stupid". This didn't work with Reagan either.

It's almost as if the democrats are using the playbook of towel tosser Romney!

 

Ditto !

As yet they haven't produced their own patent leather dandy, but the long list of miss steps is flabbergasting to say the very least.

 

trump supporters better be careful what they wish for. trump was a democrat once.

 

So was Reagan. Political flexibility might be exactly what we need. Instead of this rigid party "loyalty" that seems to have led us to useless polarization.

 

Oh yes ronnie ray gun. a two bit actor, governor, and president.
In texass, one votes for the party, not the person(at least that's the way it's set up in the republican party).